Reform

I'm warming to Kemi Badenoch, definitely improving at PMQs, maybe time for Rishi Sunak to lend a hand.
If we got another bunch of lily livered liberals like the last Tory government, it wouldn't matter who the leader is.
Most of the potential best Tory right will go to Reform, so that is highly likely.
 
Reform might be getting a little too powerful for my liking. Thankfully the FPTP voting system will naturally prevent them from doing too well in the next election as this will always happen to a party who’s voter spread is evenly distributed across the country instead of having concentrated voter support in towns/cities. Funnily enough there was a referendum on changing to AV in 2011, yet less than 40% of the country even bothered turning up for that one. I can see why Brexit might have felt empowering for mindless, ignorant, and often privileged right-wing voters in the heat of the moment, who somehow manage to continue framing the decision as an ‘anti-establishment act’. In reality you cannot argue with the economic consequences of detaching yourself from your closely geographical neighbour & primary trading partner. It’s all there to be seen if you choose not to bury your heads in the sand. Why anyone would vote for a party that will simply accelerate the rate at which the rich accumulate wealth at the expense of rights and wages of working people by supporting free market deregulation under the guise of taking back control of our borders is an idiot.
 
Reform might be getting a little too powerful for my liking. Thankfully the FPTP voting system will naturally prevent them from doing too well in the next election as this will always happen to a party who’s voter spread is evenly distributed across the country instead of having concentrated voter support in towns/cities. Funnily enough there was a referendum on changing to AV in 2011, yet less than 40% of the country even bothered turning up for that one. I can see why Brexit might have felt empowering for mindless, ignorant, and often privileged right-wing voters in the heat of the moment, who somehow manage to continue framing the decision as an ‘anti-establishment act’. In reality you cannot argue with the economic consequences of detaching yourself from your closely geographical neighbour & primary trading partner. It’s all there to be seen if you choose not to bury your heads in the sand. Why anyone would vote for a party that will simply accelerate the rate at which the rich accumulate wealth at the expense of rights and wages of working people by supporting free market deregulation under the guise of taking back control of our borders is an idiot.

As opposed to what alternative genius?
 
Reform might be getting a little too powerful for my liking. Thankfully the FPTP voting system will naturally prevent them from doing too well in the next election as this will always happen to a party who’s voter spread is evenly distributed across the country instead of having concentrated voter support in towns/cities. Funnily enough there was a referendum on changing to AV in 2011, yet less than 40% of the country even bothered turning up for that one. I can see why Brexit might have felt empowering for mindless, ignorant, and often privileged right-wing voters in the heat of the moment, who somehow manage to continue framing the decision as an ‘anti-establishment act’. In reality you cannot argue with the economic consequences of detaching yourself from your closely geographical neighbour & primary trading partner. It’s all there to be seen if you choose not to bury your heads in the sand. Why anyone would vote for a party that will simply accelerate the rate at which the rich accumulate wealth at the expense of rights and wages of working people by supporting free market deregulation under the guise of taking back control of our borders is an idiot.

Alternatively you could ask why they even have a chance.

If Labour stopped the awful diversity is our strength and woke bullshit and started to get genuinely hard on immigrants, instead of labelling concerned citizens as racists and hammering white men then they'd have no election trouble.

Go woke go broke.
 
I will quite happily vote for Polanski’s Green Party. They probably won’t even finish above Tory, Reform, Labour or lid dem in my constituency however.

The Islamist party?

You posted scorning conservatives for believing that the wealth class with a more deregulated market would be good for the working class.

While you'd vote for a party that would see both investment and wealth flee the country at even higher rates than under the Labour party.....Have energy bills even higher for the working class.

You deserve far more scorn than you give out as you clearly don't know scoopy doo about economics.
 
Reform just becoming the absolutely sh*ttest part of the Tory party is extremely funny.

Starting to think Matov is right - this has to be deliberate sabotage. No sane strategy can include letting these Tories in and expecting it to convince more people to vote for you.

It is literal insanity. Unless it's not. Almost everybody I know who was rock-solid for Reform are genuinely questioning just what the hell is going on. It stinks, it really does.

All the chatter seems to be about Rupert Lowe announcing some kind of formal party formation/alliance next week. And he is already polling at 9% nationally before even that.

Fingers crossed. Only current MP I would be willing to get behind at the ballot box as things stand.
 
It is literal insanity. Unless it's not. Almost everybody I know who was rock-solid for Reform are genuinely questioning just what the hell is going on. It stinks, it really does.

All the chatter seems to be about Rupert Lowe announcing some kind of formal party formation/alliance next week. And he is already polling at 9% nationally before even that.

Fingers crossed. Only current MP I would be willing to get behind at the ballot box as things stand.

I must admit, I'd find it hard not to vote for Lowe......Farage is a wet in comparison.
 
It is literal insanity. Unless it's not. Almost everybody I know who was rock-solid for Reform are genuinely questioning just what the hell is going on. It stinks, it really does.

All the chatter seems to be about Rupert Lowe announcing some kind of formal party formation/alliance next week. And he is already polling at 9% nationally before even that.

Fingers crossed. Only current MP I would be willing to get behind at the ballot box as things stand.
It really is a case of the emperor's new clothes everyone is seeing Reform for what they are warts and all and my goodness they are importing warts all the time taking on failed tories who were quite frankly not up to the job.The evidence is stark sinking in the opinion polls since October last year.
 
It really is a case of the emperor's new clothes everyone is seeing Reform for what they are warts and all and my goodness they are importing warts all the time taking on failed tories who were quite frankly not up to the job.The evidence is stark sinking in the opinion polls since October last year.

Nah. A beyond moronic piece of analysis. Come on, you can do better than that. The issue is that people saw Reform in a very simple light. They were neither Labour nor the Tories. Both of whom people loathe with an utter passion. Reforms very simple and powerful unique selling point. Now I also think that not many people genuinely believed they would make that much of a difference but, based on that formula, were willing to at least give them their votes.

And now that is being screwed with. And not only screwed with but paraded in bright lights. Why f*** up a winning formula? Unless you don't actually want to win? You don't like Reform pre all this Tory defection malarky, I get it. But don't let that cloud your vision as to what is happening now.

Farage is imploding the Reform brand. And that is f***ed up.
 
It really is a case of the emperor's new clothes everyone is seeing Reform for what they are warts and all and my goodness they are importing warts all the time taking on failed tories who were quite frankly not up to the job.The evidence is stark sinking in the opinion polls since October last year.

What do you mean, who is sinking from what to what?
 

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