I don't buy it when he says that he underestimated the likelihood of having problems in the middle of winter with a decimated squad and many injured players. Every reasonably interested football fan knows how tough the PL is and, above all, that there is no winter break, which makes it impossible to regain strength during four weeks without games. I think he rather underestimated the British press, which is making a big deal out of a flippant ‘We should have brought more players into the squad’. In Austria and Germany, no one would have made such a fuss if a manager, pi$$ed off after an unnecessary defeat, pointed out that he also has limitations that are beyond his control.If he now says that he underestimated injury risks, it doesn't really matter to him in the end. Either way, it won't change the decisions made in the summer, whoever wanted what.
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Eaglecoops
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You’ve convinced me, but OG??
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It just takes one believer!
Interesting perspective on the difference between how the press in different countries deal with Glasner's interviews.
He has made contradictory statements in recent months around the squad depth, perhaps partly attributable to when the interview has take place and whether we've won or not; this is understandable.
When Glasner joined us he had agreed to join some months before with the intention he took over from Roy at the end of that season.
Roy's illness hastened the start date and he took over earlier than intended.
May not be relevant to now, but it does indicate that in the past he has
planned ahead and may already have a new destination lined up.
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Can we stop posting about we should change our formation. We are not changing away from the set up of 2 years where all first teamers know their roles to a new one with zero prep or training. Madness
Surely this is Glasners big chance, in charge of a team that could win a European trophy, could gain Champions league football, a squad fully trained in his methods, totally believing in him, will he ever get in this position again, it will not be easy or quick to change clubs to a positón he is in, if ever, he is not stupid.
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You'd hope so. There might also be some reluctance from clubs to employ a manager who only intends staying for a couple of years - enough managers fail at big clubs without potentially losing one who's doing well after investing in the players he needs to fit his system.
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Surely OG and Parish should be looking at Europa League qualification. Via Conference, very realistic, FA cup - long shot or even league, long shot.
The league at this point should be respected, but the Trophy's to play for should be top priority... We are defending champions, so let's not give it back that easy...
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Surely the real madness is trying to play exactly the same way in every single match. Having a system is great but how do you adapt mid game when it’s not working unless you practice alternatives on the training pitch.
Or are you saying that it’s ok to expect to lose when your formation doesn’t work?
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That’s the problem, we don’t have enough first teamers and are then playing players out of position. I just think we need to be more pragmatic during this period and try to grind out some results.
We know after 60 minutes we run out of legs so why not try something different? It was so obvious that Fulham would score, it was just a matter of when and how many they got. Same for the Man U game at home.
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The issue for me with OG is how he is handling the bench .
Canvot , Saso , Pino , Uche , Esse have all been brought in while he’s been manager so they had to have had his approval .
Until Fulham Mateta had scored for a while and was playing with an injury . He’s not playing with his typical dominance . He’s
not bullying defenders off the ball . He’s not drawing in 2-3 defenders to stop him so he can pass to someone else . Give him a rest and let’s see what Uche can do starting .
Clyne handed the Fulham goal to him on a plate .
Pino hasn’t brought his shooting shoes with him and shows no confidence when shooting , but some of his build up work is cool .
Drop him into left midfield next to Wharton .
Canvot showed he can’t play RB against someone with speed , but as CB he rarely puts a foot wrong . He’s part of our future back line so he should be playing there , not Lerma.
Saso / Esse and Uche are suffering from lack of game time and OG’s over reliance on his starting line up is exactly the reason why we are where we are now .
You don’t improve , get experience and learn from your mistakes sitting on a bench . They’ve all showed glimpses of talent . If we hadn’t over worked our starters , they wouldn’t be getting injuries and the subs would be playing better
Kamada made some clangers when he started as did Trevor Chalobah ( cost us several points) and OG persisted with them .
Why not these guys ?
Canvot , Saso , Pino , Uche , Esse have all been brought in while he’s been manager so they had to have had his approval .
Until Fulham Mateta had scored for a while and was playing with an injury . He’s not playing with his typical dominance . He’s
not bullying defenders off the ball . He’s not drawing in 2-3 defenders to stop him so he can pass to someone else . Give him a rest and let’s see what Uche can do starting .
Clyne handed the Fulham goal to him on a plate .
Pino hasn’t brought his shooting shoes with him and shows no confidence when shooting , but some of his build up work is cool .
Drop him into left midfield next to Wharton .
Canvot showed he can’t play RB against someone with speed , but as CB he rarely puts a foot wrong . He’s part of our future back line so he should be playing there , not Lerma.
Saso / Esse and Uche are suffering from lack of game time and OG’s over reliance on his starting line up is exactly the reason why we are where we are now .
You don’t improve , get experience and learn from your mistakes sitting on a bench . They’ve all showed glimpses of talent . If we hadn’t over worked our starters , they wouldn’t be getting injuries and the subs would be playing better
Kamada made some clangers when he started as did Trevor Chalobah ( cost us several points) and OG persisted with them .
Why not these guys ?
That sort of madness resulted in our most successful year ever. I don't expect you have ever trained a team and don't realise how long it takes to get the players all knowing their roles in a playing system.
It's injuries that have hampered the team lately, not the system, we didn't have this number of injuries last season, but have in the past, so Europe can't be blamed.
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Our recent down turn in form, OG’s admission of his fault in squad size (rather than laying into the board again), the reports (if they can be believed) of Johnson having talks with Glasner before signing, the fact he did sign and then OG’s praise for the board in getting it done early… all seem positive signs.
If the board has got some money together to back him and we are signing players that clearly fit his system I agree this is approaching the best project he’d get. I’m not sure if I were a top six fan I would want him until he shows he can break down teams set to defend. If he can turn our form around he has an opportunity to prove that with Palace 🤞
If the board has got some money together to back him and we are signing players that clearly fit his system I agree this is approaching the best project he’d get. I’m not sure if I were a top six fan I would want him until he shows he can break down teams set to defend. If he can turn our form around he has an opportunity to prove that with Palace 🤞
if you watch the match closely the system is fluid , 3 at the back is base line formation , have watched us play 4,4,2 3 , 3 ,4 then switch back , the system has a in built change , its easier to see on TV than at the ground
The system is certainly fluid when Munoz plays given he has the energy to play right back, wing back, right wing, centre forward and inside forward. Remarkable player who we miss more than anyone else right now
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Complete rubbish. As normal your posts are more about trying to criticise the poster than the situation. Then you say injuries are the problem and not the system, which basically means that half of our squad are incapable of playing Glasner’s system otherwise we would have seen no drop off in form.
If all of our players are so good at the same system then according to your logic slotting players in and out should be seamless, however that is not the case. Sometimes you have to adapt or suffer as shown by the results and last 30 minutes performances of the last 6 games.
I don’t recall ever criticising Glasner’s system but I will criticise his in game management when he fails to alter tactics or make suitable substitutions in a timely manner to shut up shop and see out a narrow win or draw.
I have coached many teams at many different sports but I’ve never coached at Premier League level and neither have you so let’s just leave the childish, “I know more than you nonsense” at that.
its not they cant play the system its they cant maintain the intensity , that the first 11 can , even in a different formation the cover still would struggle , thats in my view while watching
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I watch every match, probably 65% on tv. I agree 3 at the back is our standard baseline which in my opinion makes the two most important positions on the pitch the wing backs. I could never understand why we didn’t get proper wingback cover in for Munoz. Clyne and Devenney are ok but neither are wingbacks and Canvot clearly cannot play there.
I don’t see too many formation (pre-substitutions) changes in game, more that the wingbacks are able to stay higher up the pitch when we are on top. The problems for me start in matches when we begin to lose the midfield. Leeds was a great example, they smashed us to pieces through the middle then fed the sides when our wingbacks came in to help out. They totally dominated us. We also lost the middle of the park when Hughes went off against Fulham and Lerma moved up as well.
Tiredness is definitely a factor in that midfield area and there may be opportunities to play two CFs closer together up top and play 3 in midfield so the formation would end up more of a 5-3-2. In reality I don’t really care what he does to change it as long as it works however every fan could see Fulham were going to score in the recent game and yet changes only occurred after they equalised.
I don’t want to criticise Glasner because of what he has achieved however he is not entirely free from scrutiny as the timing of and strategic nature of substitutions and in game formation tweeks is a big part of the game.
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Sorry, I don’t get that, are they not fit then or simply not good enough to play his system?
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Has he gone yet?