Glasner Out

[Caterham]

I’ve rarely seen someone so committed to flogging an obviously dead horse.

Spend more time on here, you will see it quite a lot more often.

 

[Casual]

Yep.
Got a yellow for my previous post on this ridiculous thread.

Palace Poet out! I've been posting here for probably about 15 years now, and this is without doubt the most ill-conceived thread I've read on these pages - it should be moved to News and Politics Talk - yes, it's that bad.😡👎💩

 

[Jim_Cannon]

I think Canvot has showed promise in his starts as part of a back three. He was hung out to dry against Arsenal. Not a right back and without any defensive support in front of him. Uche again looks to have lots of potential. Quick, direct, some skills, some poor touches as well. Much like JPM when he joined us. At least Uche always brings great energy. The really disappointing one for me is Pino. Early days so hopefully he gets better but he’s been totally ineffective in most of his games

Fair although I think Pino has better than you think

 

[beak]

Deep down I have a feeling that Glasner is going it is inevitable and it will be at the end of the season.

 

[Davepalace707]

That Glasner is still in charge, but we’re missing Sarr, Munoz & someone who can hit the target - and we can’t buy a draw let alone a win - means that players are more important than the manager, doesn’t it?

 

[HKOwen]

Deep down I have a feeling that Glasner is going it is inevitable and it will be at the end of the season.

Unless there is a change in ownership or investment this is I think inevitable.

I wonder even if we had access to unlimited finds how much we could spend on platers before FFP got us.

 

[NEILLO]

Deep down I have a feeling that Glasner is going it is inevitable and it will be at the end of the season.

In conversation with a highly esteemed former player of ours, he was of the opinion that Glasner will definitely be off.

 

[VinceHilaire]

I believe if he really wanted to stay, he would have signed an extension to his contract AFTER the F A Cup win - therefore giving everyone at the club the security of knowing that he would be at the club for another 3 years etc.

These last minute negotiations serve no purpose when clearly, he feels there are better options for him next season.

Just watch his last few interviews with Sky, his disappointment and frustrations are plain to see…he has lost his MOJO - so perhaps it is best he departs a hero, and not a zero!!

 

[Pikester]

15 out of the current 20 Premier League managers have been in post less than 3 years.
There is very little loyalty in football on either side of the fence.
Right now we have one of the best managers we have ever had. Talk of 'Glasner Out' is ridiculous. Those last 3 matches of our cup run were a masterclass.
Of course he's stubborn- but how many times do his plans come true and everyone on here eats humble pie?
Why get rid just to give some other guy a transfer window, when statistics suggest he'll last a couple of seasons at best?
Sure Ollie looks a bit deflated. He's a winner and he hates losing. The chances of us signing someone of his ilk ever again are low.
Enjoy him while he's here. Cherish that man. Best ever PL points total, THE FA CUP!
If he can find a way of working with Parish without getting frustrated then we continue these good times.
Believe me, after over 40 years of watching Palace, these are magical times.
Glasner IN!

 

[NEILLO]

15 out of the current 20 Premier League managers have been in post less than 3 years.
There is very little loyalty in football on either side of the fence.
Right now we have one of the best managers we have ever had. Talk of 'Glasner Out' is ridiculous. Those last 3 matches of our cup run were a masterclass.
Of course he's stubborn- but how many times do his plans come true and everyone on here eats humble pie?
Why get rid just to give some other guy a transfer window, when statistics suggest he'll last a couple of seasons at best?
Sure Ollie looks a bit deflated. He's a winner and he hates losing. The chances of us signing someone of his ilk ever again are low.
Enjoy him while he's here. Cherish that man. Best ever PL points total, THE FA CUP!
If he can find a way of working with Parish without getting frustrated then we continue these good times.
Believe me, after over 40 years of watching Palace, these are magical times.
Glasner IN!

Well said that man !

 

[taylors lovechild]

Glasner sanctioned all players bought under him, he has said so, I think Glasner is the new Potter, rigid in his system, no flexibility, poor man management, Freedman is the massive loss for Palace, I don’t want to say “I told you so” no need, you can’t blackmail a Chairman of a club who has been the best thing in the clubs history, not Glasner, it’s unraveling before your eyes.

I'm confused, are you saying the players are the problem, or Glasner? Because most of the squad was signed while Freedman was still with us, including Esse and Nketiah (supposedly he had also helped prepare for the summer recruitment after he left). Or are you saying the players are the reason for our success? In which case you've then said OG sanctioned them. Or are you saying we haven't been successful so far this season? Were you expecting us to be challenging for the title?

To your other points, it is the squad's thorough understanding of his system that is attributed to our success. You say he has poor man management and yet the players all talk about how good the team spirit is and how close the squad are. This is not to say there might be some questions to be asked in both these areas, but like I said before, no one is perfect.

Glasner said from day one that he joined Palace with the ambition to win things, not to stand still. He fulfilled his end of the bargain. Financially, the club might not be able to match his ambition, and we have to accept that, but I genuinely have no idea what more you expect from this squad.

Looking at the fixtures and how knackered the squad look I wouldn't be surprised if we struggled to pick up more than a few points in January. We might not get any. Even then, I still wouldn't be waving a 'Glasner Out' banner because you can't just boot your manager out every time you have a bad run, especially when you're a club of our size.

I don't know why I wrote such a long response because you seem more concerned about being right than Palace being successful, but threads like this have got my goat in recent years.

 

[Palace in the Blood]

Unless there is a change in ownership or investment this is I think inevitable.

I wonder even if we had access to unlimited finds how much we could spend on platers before FFP got us.

Because of being in Europe we are close. Hence we needed to sell before we could buy. It is very easy to blame one particular party but it is in my view a shared blame including Glasner. We can blame Liverpool as we expected them to buy Geuhi for about 50 million. We were in advanced talks to get replacement from sporting Lisbon. They sold striker to Arsenal and no longer needed money and could play hard ball. Then we had the Textor / UEFA fiasco and I think we can be fairly sure his loans to club were repaid. These factors together means we were skint in relative terms. I think the direct result of this was we had to sell Eze or couldn't buy. Glasner would have been aware so yes we bought late but was there in reality no other option. This has relevance to Guehi now and a future replacement. Liverpool played us and tried to get him for a low price as they could see our problem. Our problem is our transfer kitty will be 35 million light in Summer so we will be looking at bargain replacement. In order to buy in Summer we may need to sell Wharton for £100 million plus. There are rumours we are going after Bobb from Man City and that Ake is unhappy about game time in World Cup year, and also they've got an interest in Guehi now rather than risk a wages auction at end of season. If this was to happen it may help us both in short and longer term

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Unless there is a change in ownership or investment this is I think inevitable.

I wonder even if we had access to unlimited finds how much we could spend on platers before FFP got us.

I doubt very much that our transfer and wages budget would change even if Bill Gates bought Palace. The whole point of FFP is that a club can only spend what it earns, not what a particular owner may have in his pocket at that time.

This is as good a summary as I have found (odd place to find it, but still)....

What are FFP rules in football? Premier League PSR explained

Radio Times is on hand with all you need to know about FFP rules in football and how PSR works in the Premier League.

www.radiotimes.com

For those flat-earthers who still question the weight of FFP and PSR, look at Newcastle and Villa.

The former are owned by a sovereign wealth fund who could blow Chelsea, Man United, and Arsenal out of the water in a straight cash fight, but yet the club cannot do what Man City once did and buy top players from those clubs to establish themselves as the new big dogs. Broadly, that is FFP.

Villa spent more than they earned hoping to get into the Champions League, did so, and then still had to sell players. The cost of getting there was greater than the rewards. Broadly, that is PSR.

For me, the idea of 'Glasner Out' is as risible as it is ungrateful, but what I think is worth being clear on is that any Manager (or to put it more accurately, any Head Coach) that bleats in the press about the club not being ambitious enough is, either knowingly or from ignorance, playing silly buggers in a way that few employers would tolerate. There is literally a strict limit on spending tied to income. That's why our budget will not change much unless our income does.

A new owner, or the current owners if they choose to, might want to rack up some extra debt up to the magic £105m mark in the hope of placating Glasner, but that would need to be made back in three years so we would continue to sell our best players regardless.

Personally, I think that Glasner has been such a great manager/coach for us precisely because he is such a great fit for how Palace operate within FFP/PSR. We tend to be stable, not frantic. Investments are made in key players, but on the proviso that they will likely be sold at a profit in the end. We do not need to sell to survive, but must do so to avoid players leaving for free. If you take on the job at Palace there will be a good bunch of pros, a small squad, often one or two star talents, but that's it. Don't try and play like Barcelona or Ajax. Don't alienate the senior core. Have a solid, realistic tactical plan, work on it, stick to it, and we will stand by you.

Based on these ingredients Hodgson prized defensive unity, forged on the training ground and through consistent team selection, and relied heavily on a couple of match-winning talents to carry us. He was a great, pragmatic coach for a smaller club in the top flight, but not one suited to a bigger club. Glasner is exactly that, but the absolute platinum-standard. I think if we were able to provide him with better players in the No10 positions then the team would be better, but not unrecognisable, and he would still be off in the summer.

 

[Willo]

I doubt very much that our transfer and wages budget would change even if Bill Gates bought Palace. The whole point of FFP is that a club can only spend what it earns, not what a particular owner may have in his pocket at that time.

This is as good a summary as I have found (odd place to find it, but still)....

What are FFP rules in football? Premier League PSR explained

Radio Times is on hand with all you need to know about FFP rules in football and how PSR works in the Premier League.

www.radiotimes.com

For those flat-earthers who still question the weight of FFP and PSR, look at Newcastle and Villa.

The former are owned by a sovereign wealth fund who could blow Chelsea, Man United, and Arsenal out of the water in a straight cash fight, but yet the club cannot do what Man City once did and buy top players from those clubs to establish themselves as the new big dogs. Broadly, that is FFP.

Villa spent more than they earned hoping to get into the Champions League, did so, and then still had to sell players. The cost of getting there was greater than the rewards. Broadly, that is PSR.

For me, the idea of 'Glasner Out' is as risible as it is ungrateful, but what I think is worth being clear on is that any Manager (or to put it more accurately, any Head Coach) that bleats in the press about the club not being ambitious enough is, either knowingly or from ignorance, playing silly buggers in a way that few employers would tolerate. There is literally a strict limit on spending tied to income. That's why our budget will not change much unless our income does.

A new owner, or the current owners if they choose to, might want to rack up some extra debt up to the magic £105m mark in the hope of placating Glasner, but that would need to be made back in three years so we would continue to sell our best players regardless.

Personally, I think that Glasner has been such a great manager/coach for us precisely because he is such a great fit for how Palace operate within FFP/PSR. We tend to be stable, not frantic. Investments are made in key players, but on the proviso that they will likely be sold at a profit in the end. We do not need to sell to survice, but must do so to avoid players leaving for free. There will be a good bunch of pros, a small squad, often one or two star talents, but that's it.

Based on these ingredients Hodgson prized defensive unity, forged on the training ground and through consistent team selection, and relied heavily on a couple of match-winning talents to carry us. He was a great, pragmatic coach for a smaller club in the top flight, but not one suited to a bigger club. Glasner is exactly that, but the absolute platinum-standard. I think if we were able to provide him with better players in the No10 positions then the team would be better, but not unrecognisable, and he would still be off in the summer.

I wholeheartedly welcome your input highlighting the financial parameters we have to adhere to on account of the financial regulations.
I have already highlighted the differentials between our revenue and that of those somewhat higher in the 'Food chain'.

 

[maddog]

“In four days, we’re playing Fulham here. We have matches on the [January] 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th, four games in nine days.

“That’s why summer feels very far away for me, not just because of the temperatures, but because the daily schedule simply leaves no time to think about it.”

His exact words to the German media when questioned about his future at Crystal Palace , Doesn't sound too reassuring surely if he was going to sign an extension he would say talks are on going .

That busy schedule is not down to Crystal Palace or anything that Steve Parish can control. It’s a consequence of playing in the English Premier League. If Oliver Glasner cannot cope with that then he needs to move to another league. I hope he doesn’t but I do wish he would stop complaining about the job that he is being paid very handsomely to do.

 

[Cucking Funt]

Yep.
Got a yellow for my previous post on this ridiculous thread.

But you definitely took one for the team, saying what pretty much everyone else thought. I salute you.

 

[Willo]

That busy schedule is not down to Crystal Palace or anything that Steve Parish can control. It’s a consequence of playing in the English Premier League. If Oliver Glasner cannot cope with that then he needs to move to another league. I hope he doesn’t but I do wish he would stop complaining about the job that he is being paid very handsomely to do.

Winning the FA Cup, thereby playing in Europe adds to the congestion !
I have not viewed Glasner's comments as complaints or protestations, merely amplifications of the actualite.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I'm confused, are you saying the players are the problem, or Glasner? Because most of the squad was signed while Freedman was still with us, including Esse and Nketiah (supposedly he had also helped prepare for the summer recruitment after he left). Or are you saying the players are the reason for our success? In which case you've then said OG sanctioned them. Or are you saying we haven't been successful so far this season? Were you expecting us to be challenging for the title?

To your other points, it is the squad's thorough understanding of his system that is attributed to our success. You say he has poor man management and yet the players all talk about how good the team spirit is and how close the squad are. This is not to say there might be some questions to be asked in both these areas, but like I said before, no one is perfect.

Glasner said from day one that he joined Palace with the ambition to win things, not to stand still. He fulfilled his end of the bargain. Financially, the club might not be able to match his ambition, and we have to accept that, but I genuinely have no idea what more you expect from this squad.

Looking at the fixtures and how knackered the squad look I wouldn't be surprised if we struggled to pick up more than a few points in January. We might not get any. Even then, I still wouldn't be waving a 'Glasner Out' banner because you can't just boot your manager out every time you have a bad run, especially when you're a club of our size.

I don't know why I wrote such a long response because you seem more concerned about being right than Palace being successful, but threads like this have got my goat in recent years.

I am saying that the team before Eze left was the best team we have ever had, and 12th was a poor result for the Quality of player we had, the last signings were supposed to be good players to come in and rest the first 11, but all have been poor, and all approved by Glasner, we did win the FA cup, but I also put that down to the players, Pardew finished 10th and was 12 mins from winning the FA cup, does that make him poorer than Glasner, the buys last summer were poor, Freedman left in March, Glasner will never manage a top club for more than 6 months, IMO he has a lot of negatives about him, but time will tell, like I have said many times, for me, he is the Emperors new clothes.

 

[est1905]

15 out of the current 20 Premier League managers have been in post less than 3 years.
There is very little loyalty in football on either side of the fence.
Right now we have one of the best managers we have ever had. Talk of 'Glasner Out' is ridiculous. Those last 3 matches of our cup run were a masterclass.
Of course he's stubborn- but how many times do his plans come true and everyone on here eats humble pie?
Why get rid just to give some other guy a transfer window, when statistics suggest he'll last a couple of seasons at best?
Sure Ollie looks a bit deflated. He's a winner and he hates losing. The chances of us signing someone of his ilk ever again are low.
Enjoy him while he's here. Cherish that man. Best ever PL points total, THE FA CUP!
If he can find a way of working with Parish without getting frustrated then we continue these good times.
Believe me, after over 40 years of watching Palace, these are magical times.
Glasner IN!

I echo every single word. Anyone shouting Glasner Out is just sour grapes when they dont even yet know for sure if the grapes are even going to be sour yet!

 

[park the bus]

I am saying that the team before Eze left was the best team we have ever had, and 12th was a poor result for the Quality of player we had, the last signings were supposed to be good players to come in and rest the first 11, but all have been poor, and all approved by Glasner, we did win the FA cup, but I also put that down to the players, Pardew finished 10th and was 12 mins from winning the FA cup, does that make him poorer than Glasner, the buys last summer were poor, Freedman left in March, Glasner will never manage a top club for more than 6 months, IMO he has a lot of negatives about him, but time will tell, like I have said many times, for me, he is the Emperors new clothes.

Glasner is our best ever manager, simply because he got the team over the line and put a cup and a shield in the trophy cabinet. That said, I have been thinking how it was a close run thing for Pardew, and looking at his team that ran out for the cup final there are a few in there who I would prefer over starters in Glasner's team. Pardew's win percentage isn't that different from Glasner's, only a disastrous late run of results meant he quite naturally had to go, no hard feelings.
What does it all mean? It's a game of close margins...