Glasner Out

[JHB]

Across the pl how many overseas signings with no pl experience have done well in the first half of the season. Not many

Canvot was always one for the future. Pino has been ok and clearly has talent but is young. Uche is just starting to find his feet but looks better as the main striker. Esse needs to mature but does appear to have taken on board the feedback from Glasner

Our first blip this season and we shouldn’t overly criticise in same way not too get too carried away earlier in the season when we we’re undefeated. Long way to go and I am confident with a couple of signings we will finish top 8 and chance of a cup (especially the conference).

Up the palace

I think Canvot has showed promise in his starts as part of a back three. He was hung out to dry against Arsenal. Not a right back and without any defensive support in front of him. Uche again looks to have lots of potential. Quick, direct, some skills, some poor touches as well. Much like JPM when he joined us. At least Uche always brings great energy. The really disappointing one for me is Pino. Early days so hopefully he gets better but he’s been totally ineffective in most of his games

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Has any one ever thought that why we did well in the cup and the start of the season was we have good, some very good players, and that might be the reason and not the manager, Pino winger, Sosa left midfield, Uche not allowed to start 10 games, Nketiah out of position, Esse confidence shot to s*** by Glasner, I bet there are posters on here that still think Vieira was a good manager, Emperors new clothes,

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Ollie knew it, most of us knew it, eventually once the games and injuries started mounting up we were going to struggle and Ollie will be off in the summer. Anyone who didn’t realise this is off with the fairies on cloud cuckoo land 😃
I’m just grateful we’ve got a decent points haul before Christmas just incase we do have to start looking over our shoulders at the wrong end of the table

 

[Willo]

Ollie knew it, most of us knew it, eventually once the games and injuries started mounting up we were going to struggle and Ollie will be off in the summer. Anyone who didn’t realise this is off with the fairies on cloud cuckoo land 😃
I’m just grateful we’ve got a decent points haul before Christmas just incase we do have to start looking over our shoulders at the wrong end of the table

You sound convinced !
A number of supporters broached this subject with me yesterday. There was not a single one who was of the opinion that Glasner will be our manager next season.
Aside from yesterday, this has been the prevalent view when I have engaged in conversations with devotees.

 

[Freedman87]

Joke thread. Some of the people on here shouldn't be football fans, they can't handle it.

 

[pssguy]

Ollie knew it, most of us knew it, eventually once the games and injuries started mounting up we were going to struggle and Ollie will be off in the summer. Anyone who didn’t realise this is off with the fairies on cloud cuckoo land 😃
I’m just grateful we’ve got a decent points haul before Christmas just incase we do have to start looking over our shoulders at the wrong end of the table

Agreed. safe and a win the conference would be a successful season. How we will achieve the latter is another matter. We rested players for Leeds and look how that turned out

 

[est1905]

This would infer that you are of the belief that the process has not yet commenced.

Thats correct in my mind. I believe they are looking at potentials (which all clubs do all the time) but if you are asking me if I think the club has actually talked to anyone? Absolutely not

 

[est1905]

I think Canvot will be good enough, Uche could be. Nketiah and Pino may be average squad players. I think we should consider trying Pino as a centre midfielder. Not that we even use centre mids. He doesn't have the pace and power up top. Esse won't make it on current form. Sosa is surprisingly poor and isn't good enough. I wonder would he be a better left midfielder. Again a position we don't use.

Sosa is one of the very few I'm told Glasner had an active interest in signing (along with Kamada) so in terms of a lack of quality on the bench he too has to take some responsibility for that.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

For goodness sake. What we are seeing is simply a reversion to the mean. Palace aren't supposed to be in the top six. The fact we've slipped out of it doesn't mean anyone has done anything wrong, or that it could have been avoided if this, that, or the other had taken place. It was a pleasant surprise to be there for a few weeks. Even if we didn't have European football and had turned our noses up at the domestic cups, we don't have the sixth, seventh, or probably even the tenth best team in the league.

We have had a purple patch where several of the youngsters with potential that we signed all came to the boil at around the same time, but Olise, Eze, and Guehi were never going to stay once they'd blossomed, just like Wharton won't. Alongside this, a few journeymen like Mateta, Richards, Hughes etc all came good at the same time, but none of them are top six players. We've had players better than we should naturally have given the budget, with others over performing. That wasn't going to last forever. Nothing is broken or wrong.

 

[est1905]

At Villarreal last season he was deployed primarily as a touchline-hugging winger usually on the right.
He played under Unai Emery at the club.
He has been largely ineffective at our club, flattering to deceive. Flashes of skill but overall no significant impact on the game.
Perhaps in time we will witness a much better version of Pino.

If you consider he has had no preseason and had to fit into the team (due to Eze's departure) immediately. Add to that no experience of England, the language, culture etc, I think he has done well. It it unfair to judge him on his first half a season at the club. I believe he has already shown flashes of what he can do and at his young age you'd have to be an idiot not to see massive potential. He's already a Spanish international.

 

[taylors lovechild]

Our squad value has dropped nearly 200m according to transfermkt, due mainly the appalling signings sanctioned by Glarsner, the players are tired due to 110m spunked on Pino, Nketiah, Canvot, Uche(possibly) Sosa and Esse. None premier league players

It's not anything to do with selling our two best players in Eze and Olise and replacing them with discount options? Also, none of us know who sanctioned those deals, what role OG has in picking players, etc. I'm pretty sure Esse and Nketiah were nothing to do with him. Sosa was very cheap and Uche seems to have been a last-minute opportunistic buy by Palace. Pino's value on transfrmarket is Eur35 million. Canvot is Eur20 million. Also, you can't reference those players and then ignore buys like Lacroix and Sarr, both of whom have thrived under the current setup.

I know you really want to say 'told you so' after embarrassing yourself when suggesting we get rid last season (only for us to have the most successful season in the club's history) but just admit you're wrong. Maybe we'll have a cr@p second half to the season, but this is not comparable to the Vieira situation. Glasner had won things before arriving. He's won things since arriving. He'll no doubt win more after leaving.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but what more are you expecting from a club of our size with our net spend?

 

[est1905]

In my view Parish needs to be clear that investment comes with commitment.

Don't get me wrong, if there is a player available, who chooses us, who clearly improves the side then an argument can be made.

However, if you spend money on Glasner targets when he is leaving all you are doing is restricting the incoming manager. Those people can't then turn around and complain later if things go badly because the new manager will have limited scope to change it......He's managering with Glasner's side, not his own.

As previously mentioned the clubs policy is to purchase players that fit into the teams style of play so that 1.The club dont have to keep ripping up the system and starting again.
2. We dont have to get rid of perfectly good players that dont fit a new managers system.
3. We are not spending huge amounts of money every time a new manager comes in.
The manager has to fit our system and get the most out of the players we have. This includes Glasner and he always knew this.

I'm guessing its not the type of players we sign Glasner has any issue with but the quality and the amount of them that we sign. Any new manager that potentially came in would have to accept the same policy as Glasner does. IE, the DoF identifies the players and signs them. Glasner's job is to improve them and get more out of them

 

[park the bus]

For goodness sake. What we are seeing is simply a reversion to the mean. Palace aren't supposed to be in the top six. The fact we've slipped out of it doesn't mean anyone has done anything wrong it that it could have been avoided if this, that, or the other had taken place. It was a pleasant surprise to be there for a few weeks. Even if we didn't have European football and had turned our noses up at the domestic cups, we don't have the sixth, seventh, or probably even the tenth best team in the league.

We have had a purple patch where several of the youngsters with potential that we signed all came to the boil at around the same time, but Olise, Eze, and Guehi were never going to stay once they'd blossomed, just like Wharton won't. Alongside this, a few journeymen like Mateta, Richards, Hughes etc all came good at the same time, but none of them are too six players. We've had players better than we should naturally have given the budget, with others over performing. That wasn't going to last forever. Nothing is broken or wrong.

More or less my take on it, although one is allowed to hope for a push onto 8th instead of 12th, I've always thought that this would be a mark of steady improvement. Realistically though, take away the few players of real quality (who likely will be on their way) and there isn't much difference to teams under previous managers; they too had one or two players of real class but it was never enough to make the difference over a whole season and now Glasner has Euro competition to deal with as well.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Agreed. safe and a win the conference would be a successful season. How we will achieve the latter is another matter. We rested players for Leeds and look how that turned out

Hopefully players will be back and we’ll get a second wind and possibly a couple of newbies in the window. It’s a long season and all teams have ups and downs
I bet Munoz will be chomping at the bit to get back and we’ll have our Duracell bunny back on the right. His energy must rub off on the rest of the team

 

[Hannes]

For goodness sake. What we are seeing is simply a reversion to the mean. Palace aren't supposed to be in the top six. The fact we've slipped out of it doesn't mean anyone has done anything wrong it that it could have been avoided if this, that, or the other had taken place. It was a pleasant surprise to be there for a few weeks. Even if we didn't have European football and had turned our noses up at the domestic cups, we don't have the sixth, seventh, or probably even the tenth best team in the league.

We have had a purple patch where several of the youngsters with potential that we signed all came to the boil at around the same time, but Olise, Eze, and Guehi were never going to stay once they'd blossomed, just like Wharton won't. Alongside this, a few journeymen like Mateta, Richards, Hughes etc all came good at the same time, but none of them are too six players. We've had players better than we should naturally have given the budget, with others over performing. That wasn't going to last forever. Nothing is broken or wrong.

This! In the long run, you can't compete with clubs that are two, three or even more levels above you financially. ‘No money, no music’ is a popular catchphrase in my hometown. Who's to blame? No one, it's just the way life is!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

It's not anything to do with selling our two best players in Eze and Olise and replacing them with discount options? Also, none of us know who sanctioned those deals, what role OG has in picking players, etc. I'm pretty sure Esse and Nketiah were nothing to do with him. Sosa was very cheap and Uche seems to have been a last-minute opportunistic buy by Palace. Pino's value on transfrmarket is Eur35 million. Canvot is Eur20 million. Also, you can't reference those players and then ignore buys like Lacroix and Sarr, both of whom have thrived under the current setup.

I know you really want to say 'told you so' after embarrassing yourself when suggesting we get rid last season (only for us to have the most successful season in the club's history) but just admit you're wrong. Maybe we'll have a cr@p second half to the season, but this is not comparable to the Vieira situation. Glasner had won things before arriving. He's won things since arriving. He'll no doubt win more after leaving.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but what more are you expecting from a club of our size with our net spend?

Glasner sanctioned all players bought under him, he has said so, I think Glasner is the new Potter, rigid in his system, no flexibility, poor man management, Freedman is the massive loss for Palace, I don’t want to say “I told you so” no need, you can’t blackmail a Chairman of a club who has been the best thing in the clubs history, not Glasner, it’s unraveling before your eyes.

 

[ex hibitionist]

Palace Poet out! I've been posting here for probably about 15 years now, and this is without doubt the most ill-conceived thread I've read on these pages - it should be moved to News and Politics Talk - yes, it's that bad.😡👎💩

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Palace Poet out! I've been posting here for probably about 15 years now, and this is without doubt the most ill-conceived thread I've read on these pages - it should be moved to News and Politics Talk - yes, it's that bad.😡👎💩

IYO

 

[Stansferret]

There’ll be calls for Roy’s return next….

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It's not anything to do with selling our two best players in Eze and Olise and replacing them with discount options? Also, none of us know who sanctioned those deals, what role OG has in picking players, etc. I'm pretty sure Esse and Nketiah were nothing to do with him. Sosa was very cheap and Uche seems to have been a last-minute opportunistic buy by Palace. Pino's value on transfrmarket is Eur35 million. Canvot is Eur20 million. Also, you can't reference those players and then ignore buys like Lacroix and Sarr, both of whom have thrived under the current setup.

I know you really want to say 'told you so' after embarrassing yourself when suggesting we get rid last season (only for us to have the most successful season in the club's history) but just admit you're wrong. Maybe we'll have a cr@p second half to the season, but this is not comparable to the Vieira situation. Glasner had won things before arriving. He's won things since arriving. He'll no doubt win more after leaving.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but what more are you expecting from a club of our size with our net spend?

I’ve rarely seen someone so committed to flogging an obviously dead horse.