Working Class

beak said:
This is easily resolved as anyone who is hireable and fireable,meaning that you offer your skills for moneteary gain.
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Why does it matter? In the UK we've historically been preoccupied with class issues and it's about time we stopped. No one has any influence over the circumstances in which they're born so why should it be the defining characteristic of their whole life?
 
beak said:
This is easily resolved as anyone who is hireable and fireable,meaning that you offer your skills for moneteary gain.
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it also wasn't working class , it was working people.

I consider myself middle class but am definitely a working person, as are millions of others.

If the majority of your weekly/monthly income comes from via your main job surely you are a working person.

If you have a sizeable income from other sources e.g. rental or share income, then you probably are not reliant on your weekly/monthly pay cheque.

When Sunak published his tax return he earned £ millions from his investment portfolio (shares etc) and this dwarfed his PM salary. He would have paid tax via CGT (at 24%) rather than PAYE on these earnings.

Only 1% of the UK pay CGT so i would say if the bulk of your money is not via PAYE (including self employed) then you don't meet Labour's working people definition.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the thinking
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Why does it matter? In the UK we've historically been preoccupied with class issues and it's about time we stopped. No one has any influence over the circumstances in which they're born so why should it be the defining characteristic of their whole life?
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But in reality it does define you King Charles destiny was stamped on his bum as he emerged, privilge buys the best schools and usually an unwarranted fat salary working twelve days a year on the board of a ftse 350 firm. People born with iffy parents with no motivation end up dead in an alley. Play reapeat play repeat.Birth plays a defining role.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Why does it matter? In the UK we've historically been preoccupied with class issues and it's about time we stopped. No one has any influence over the circumstances in which they're born so why should it be the defining characteristic of their whole life?
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Surely you realise the ramifications of the proletariat getting delusions of grandeur and forgetting their place? It would result in complete chaos.

And my valet agreed completely as he brushed me down this morning.

Pip pip
 
beak said:
But in reality it does define you King Charles destiny was stamped on his bum as he emerged, privilge buys the best schools and usually an unwarranted fat salary working twelve days a year on the board of a ftse 350 firm. People born with iffy parents with no motivation end up dead in an alley. Play reapeat play repeat.Birth plays a defining role.
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That's what I was trying to say but since inheritance tax isn't 100% there isn't a lot we can change except attitudes. Personally I don't care if someone is born into money any more than I do that they have the ability to play football and make millions out of it.
It's just the luck of the draw like being devastatingly handsome. We can't help it.
 
Badger11 said:
Starmer has got himself into a right pickle over the definition of Working Class. The tabloids and even the BBC are now pressing him for a definition and ridiculing his answer.
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anybody got the link to that Labour Lady who laughed at the fella with the England flag on his house ? I bet she's not laughing anymore.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
This latest error is another incident and example of poor messaging and thinking. It’s true he has got himself in a hole over this interview, but I don’t think it’ll last. The outrage at having to pay more CGTax will overshadow it.

Labour doesn’t represent many people now. It represents benefit claimants which indeed includes low earners on universal credit, refugees and asylum seekers, foreign citizens with foreign aid etc and any minority in GB, especially new ones like the trans movement.

The classes in this country are so blurred now but Starmer hasn’t got the common sense to steer clear of that. Many people own shares, not just rich people, but that’s what he means in his head I expect.

I do see their point on taxing landlords more, but I also see that they should be aware that it could just lead to higher rents and fewer rentals, although that could either lead to more properties to buy or buy ups by bigger corporations to control the rental market (something that could happen in farming like in the US) But anyway…

A video on X has LBC’s James o Brien getting a landlord realising that her passive income isn’t the hard earned income she thinks it is. She’s right that she worked hard to get the deposit and mortgage together and get started, and that’s the point. It was her working at her job to be able to start it which was the hard work, not the money coming in and arranging a cooker to be replaced or cleaning it herself every 6-12 months. I have no issue with landlords having to pay more tax, but there is a concern with how it affects the market.

It’s the way Starmer said it that’s the problem. There was no need to go on about ‘’working people’’ and ‘people who can sort a problem out by writing a cheque’’ and working people who can’t. He could’ve just said they’re going to increase CGT as a way of tackling the cost of living crisis for millions of people and paying for services that need more government funding because they’ve fallen apart. His mouth gets him in trouble…

‘‘Tis better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.’’

You can also start slipping up by the other person’s silence by feeling the need to break the silence with rubbish. Starmer doesn’t realise this stuff.
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Why?

I don’t understand why one type of investment should be taxed higher than another. Especially as being a landlord involves actually doing work, not just watching the stock market. I don’t think it’s a wise decision in the context of trying to ensure there is an affordable housing rental market.

I have argued that people like me ought to be paying higher taxes and someone has been listening. Fiscal drag achieves that on its own.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
anybody got the link to that Labour Lady who laughed at the fella with the England flag on his house ? I bet she's not laughing anymore.
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The fat blob pig from Islington? Emily Thornberry.

Did you hear the female Labour MP say to Shabana Mahmood in the HoC that she is ‘’pandering to the electorate’’ after her speech on illegal immigration?
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
Why?

I don’t understand why one type of investment should be taxed higher than another. Especially as being a landlord involves actually doing work, not just watching the stock market. I don’t think it’s a wise decision in the context of trying to ensure there is an affordable housing rental market.

I have argued that people like me ought to be paying higher taxes and someone has been listening. Fiscal drag achieves that on its own.
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I think you should volunteer to pay almost all of your salary in taxes.
 
beak said:
I'm at a loss to see the relevance of that picture ,i can understand that many right wing neanderthals would get a hard on but a cripple and an eighty year old are not likely to have a job or seek work , I have a muslim neighbour with a Bentley is that important in the interests of balance?
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You pick out 2 people out of thousands doing f all every day, claiming benefits and you think you’ve made a point. You are the problem.
 
beak said:
I'm at a loss to see the relevance of that picture ,i can understand that many right wing neanderthals would get a hard on but a cripple and an eighty year old are not likely to have a job or seek work , I have a muslim neighbour with a Bentley is that important in the interests of balance?
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It's a video, not a picture.

Taken in Whitechapel.

The video itself is somewhat disengenuous . That area is overwhelmingly occupied by Indians, Pakistanis whereas fifty years ago, maybe more, it was a Jewish enclave.

Claiming the area as multi cultural is a bit rich.
 
ASCPFC said:
Traditional definition of working class is working in unskilled or semi-skilled jobs. I believe it has been expanded somewhat. I think there are different levels of working class.
Also, money wise, Middle class tends to be able to afford holidays etc.
The definitions have largely been blurred by the rise of the middle class - and, of course, the way tradesmen, even painters and decorators etc will earn miles more than working in an office. In fact, factory workers often earn more now.
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How very dare you !
Artisan I prefer, or craftsman.
(tosher is also a popular term but we'll not go there)
 
NEILLO said:
It's a video, not a picture.

Taken in Whitechapel.

The video itself is somewhat disengenuous . That area is overwhelmingly occupied by Indians, Pakistanis whereas fifty years ago, maybe more, it was a Jewish enclave.

Claiming the area as multi cultural is a bit rich.
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.. and Hugenoets who flooded in from France after the St.Bartholemews massacre the worst peace time slaughter . I do not play unsolicited videos due to safety so to me it was just a snapshot.
 
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