Manchester synagogue attack

PalazioVecchio said:
yes, but when Brits move abroad, its the same problem. Living for decades in ( insert country name here) and never learning the language, the culture, the religion.

Did Nigel ever go and live in Lahore and go native ? highly unlikely, apart from a couple of rare cases.
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Excuse me, we do! We have to to get along & not be tarred with the 'British Benidorm Disease' Behave.
 
Eagleman13 said:
Excuse me, we do! We have to to get along & not be tarred with the 'British Benidorm Disease' Behave.
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whenever given a small serving of food i say " ay, tu crees que yo soy guiri o que "

and they look blankly and say, "wow, we dont get many guiris who aspeak a da lingo".
Tourist restaurants are best avoided in Spain. Total rip off.
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Synagogue stabber had a Rape case pending ? classy guy.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
I don’t think that’s correct.

The current spike in anti Semitism is entirely the consequence of the actions of the current Israeli government. Anti Semitism has always existed but not at the levels now being seen and there can only be one reason.

Americans and Russians living here do feel the pressure of our distaste for Trump and Putin. Unless they come out and express their distaste too. Just as some immigrants, here legally on working visas, are feeling significant pressure from the threats being made by Farage. I know of several nurses now contemplating moving elsewhere because they no longer feel wanted.

If I was Jewish I would be very unhappy with the actions of Israel and speaking out against the government there.
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www.theguardian.com

Antisemitism on rise across Europe 'in worst times since the Nazis'

Experts say attacks go beyond Israel-Palestinian conflict as hate crimes strike fear into Jewish communities
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
time.com

Europe’s Jews Are Resisting a Rising Tide of Anti-Semitism

Across Europe, anti-Semitic attacks are increasing in regularity. But so are efforts by Jews and E.U. officials to counter the rising hatred
time.com time.com
www.splcenter.org

Anti-Semitic Violence Rises in 2000

Spurred by developments in the Middle East and elsewhere, worldwide anti-Semitic violence spiked up sharply in 2000.
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Teddy Eagle said:
How does that tie up with
I don’t think that’s correct.

The current spike in anti Semitism is entirely the consequence of the actions of the current Israeli government. Anti Semitism has always existed but not at the levels now being seen and there can only be one reason.

Still not seeing the connection. Two of my Grandparents were women but that didn't give me any idea how I'd react in a situation if I was a woman too.
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Same here what a coincidence! 😆
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I despise anti semitism. I also despise the behaviour of the current Israeli government. A government which is doing nothing to diminish anti semitism or make overseas Jewish communities safer.
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It's the Jews fault
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I am old enough to remember a time when murder was rare. The closest most people got to a murder was watching an episode of Columbo.
Most was usually the stuff of old world gangsters, personal grudges and crimes of passion. Very rarely a concern to the wider population.

Now thanks to mass immigration, we have stabbings, shootings, honour killings and terrorism on almost a daily basis. We now have people in this country who are prepared to casually kill others. Some of those people are called 'British'.
This is the country our politicians have made for us. This is what they have sold us. They are still trying to sell it.

Even the Irish sectarian troubles that affected this country in the '70s were historically and fundamentally caused by mass immigration. No lessons were learned or heeded.

The British people have always come second to political and financial ambition.

Time for change.
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Where on earth do you get these crazy ideas? It would be very instructive to know what you base these assertions on because they have the same flavour as some of Trump’s and his come from the empty space between his ears. Before answering, if you can, you might like to read these:-

U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate | Historical Chart & Data

Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does...
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data.worldbank.org

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data
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www.murdermap.co.uk

Homicide in England and Wales 1898 to 2024 - murdermap

Analysis of the number of homicides in England and Wales since 1898, according to official figures from the Office for National Statistics
www.murdermap.co.uk www.murdermap.co.uk

You should also bear in mind that our population has grown by over 50% since 1898.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
I thought it interesting that Shabana Mahmood (The Home Secretary) said of the proposed Palestinian marches.
"I do think that carrying on in this way does feel un-British, it feels wrong," she said.

Guess what Ms Mahmood. (oh, the irony) ? It's all these foreigners coming to UK shores stirring up trouble 🙂
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You think it’s only “foreigners” who are protesting about the situation in Gaza?
 
HKOwen said:
The Socialist Worker supplies all the placards the Pro Palestine protestors carry, I have just looked at their website, no mention of the Manchester murders

socialistworker.co.uk

Socialist Worker

A revolutionary socialist newspaper
socialistworker.co.uk socialistworker.co.uk
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They mention it now, telling their supporters to have resolve and carry on shouting their Jew hate.

socialistworker.co.uk

Stay on the streets for Palestine, don’t let state exploit Manchester horror

Politicians are exploiting the horrific attack on a synagogue in Manchester to argue for a new clampdown on the Palestine movement
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Spiderman said:
and praised Hamas
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But not arrested, charged, convicted and imprisoned like those far right extremists who were emotionally outraged by Southport and previous violence
 
Penge Eagle said:
Posted by Matt Goodwin on X.

2025 Manchester synagogue terrorist
Syrian parents

2021 Liverpool terrorist
Born in Iraq

2021 Sir David Amess terrorist
Parents from Somalia

2020 Reading terrorist
Born in Libya

2020 Streatham terrorist
Parents from Sri Lanka

2019 Usman Khan terrorist
Parents from Pakistan

2017 Manchester MEN terrorist
Libyan parents

2015 Leytonstone terrorist
Born in Somalia

2013 Lee Rigby/Woolwich terrorist
Parents Nigerian

2007 London/Glasgow terrorists
Iraqi/Indian parents

2005 "homegrown" 7/7 terrorists
Shehzad Tanweer, parents from Pakistan
Mohammad Khan, parents from Pakistan
Hasib Hussain, parents from Pakistan
Germaine Lyndsay, born in Jamaica

What's my point?

We have set the stage for Islamist terror in the West ourselves --through mass immigration, porous borders and a total failure to integrate newcomers

To paraphrase Garrett Jones, from his book The Culture Transplant, migrants do not instantly adopt the host country's 'British' or 'English' culture and identity

Far from it

They retain central aspects of their origin countries --including religion, belief, attitudes toward violence, hatred of non-believers, and so on...
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That isn’t true. Many who have arrived here have integrated well and their children and grandchildren ever better. Sure they retain connections to their mother culture but that’s only to be expected. I heard a lady on Radio 4 today talking about this. She was born here of Nigerian and Kenyan parents. She considers herself British, drinks tea and eats fish and chips, but also treasures her heritage.

That said it’s very clear we haven’t done nearly enough to ensure that those unwilling to accept British ethics, standards and laws are re-educated until they do. This could take generations but it must be done.

It demands a completely different approach to our tolerance of religious belief. Something I have opined on here before. I have no issue with anyone holding personal beliefs. I do have issues with any of them being aired in public or interfering in another person’s life, in any way.

I want everyone in the UK to honour allegiance to our country above any other allegiance, whether that be a God, or not.

This requires a reset of both public life and of our education system and should neither target any particular group nor exclude one. It requires the complete removal of religion from education. Religion, as a subject should be taught, emphasising both the positive and negative implications and the need for respect.

This won’t happen in my lifetime but I cannot see the present division, intolerance and hatred improving until it is finally tackled.

Thinking we can somehow just stop immigration is the dream of fools. Making sure that those who arrive know what’s expected of them isn’t.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
yes, but when Brits move abroad, its the same problem. Living for decades in ( insert country name here) and never learning the language, the culture, the religion.

Did Nigel ever go and live in Lahore and go native ? highly unlikely, apart from a couple of rare cases.
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I lived in the Philippines for some years. I participated in the culture, hated much of the food, loved the beer, hated the violence and corruption, thought the influence of the Church both good and sometimes very bad. Never a need to learn any of the several local languages because American English is understood everywhere and people were pleased to practice there’s. I lectured in English in a Uni there.
 
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