Marc Guéhi

[park the bus]

If I was Parish I would be hopping mad with Glasner for speaking out in public as he did. Unless it was all by agreement and intended to produce the outcome it did.

After all Glasner is an employee tasked to do a job and be very well paid for doing so. No different to the players. He has a duty to his employer to point out the consequences of anything he thinks might impact his capacity to perform his task, but that is done in private. Not in press conferences.

Imagine what would happen to a player who did that! They would be fined, or worse.

So, much as I hope I am wrong, I am not sure that this episode is yet over and the page can be turned. If I was Parish there would be a gritty meeting on the horizon in which much praise would be offered but also some very clear boundaries drawn on where the respective limits lie.

The more I think about it I suspect Glasner expecting control over almost everything was the reason Dougie bailed out and how Parish responds to this challenge will be a big test for him. Which after the UEFA shenanigans was all he needed.

I don’t think the criticism of Parish being posted here is justified in any way. He is one of us and deserves our support at all times. Especially when faced with tricky situations and decisions.

It was Parish who set the ball rolling for stating that MG needed to be sold. Uncalled for really, unless a sly smoke and mirrors trick to lure LiVARpool in, as in "come and get him, he's up for grabs". He sounded desperate.

 

[ASCPFC]

It was Parish who set the ball rolling for stating that MG needed to be sold. Uncalled for really, unless a sly smoke and mirrors trick to lure LiVARpool in, as in "come and get him, he's up for grabs". He sounded desperate.

I didn't understand any of that. What you say is "we want x amount for Guehi by x date and that is the only way he'll leave". You tell Guehi the same and that's that. No confusion, no trouble. You just reject anything below. Doesn't take Parish's involvement anymore. A woman in the office can accept the bid or reject it under clear instructions. Why we make everything so difficult is beyond me. I'm presuming it's everything gets run past Steve in a WhatsApp group but the coverage at Selhurst is poor. We all know that.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Parish does deserve criticism though.

We all knew that Guehi wasn't going to sign a new contract, and would need to be sold in the window. At some point during that window an agreement with another club would be made. Such a quality player a reduced price was always going to taken.

What Parish didn't do is bring in a quality replacement much earlier, ie. July or start of August. That is on him.

Had he brought in a quality replacement it would have probably kept Glasner happy, and avoided this situation.

It sounds like Glasner did really want Convet, as he doesn't see him as a 1st team player yet, whilst Igor was just a loan (a player that could not get in Brightons 1st team).

So he wasn't getting a like for like replacement.

I saw that 2 bids were made Yann Bisseck but knocked back firmly, whilst we didn't make a play for Pavlovic until the last day, so Was never going to happen.

This was a case where we needed spend before getting selling Guehi, but it appears they didn't want to do that. That is on him.

It’s so easy to write but I bet it’s much harder to do. The clubs and agents use brinkmanship to up the fees and we don’t have endless resources to just pay over the odds. Getting things done at the last moment means everyone is under the same pressure.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I will forgive him for everything except:

1) not knowing the rules relating to MCO and entrance into euro competitions. It’s part of his job.
2) not getting a CH replacement lined up and bought at the start of the transfer window. We needed a CH anyway so no one is ever going to convince me we didn’t have enough money to go buy one. His failure to do this has caused this potential rift and has cost the club money.

Both untrue.

He probably knew what the “rules” were but neither how they would be applied or was able to apply them anyway. You cannot force a non compliant shareholder to do anything. Only they can decide.

For the reasons already posted it’s much easier to theorise about doing deals than actually doing them. You cannot force clubs to sell or players to sign. When only a tiny number meet the desired criteria you are fishing in a small pond and our bait isn’t often as attractive as others.

 

[Nutmegyeti]

I’ve got sympathy for everyone in this circus, to be honest. Guéhi probably thought he had the Liverpool move lined up, but at the end of the day he’s still an incredibly well-paid footballer – even if he’s not exactly troubling the top earners. He’s within his rights to see his deal out and line up a big payday next summer. Some fans get frustrated with that, but you can’t pin it all on Parish either.

Glasner’s a funny one. History tells you that he’ll probably fall out with the owners eventually, and certainly he’s had discordant players in the past. That said, he’s been a fantastic manager for us and brought us the FA Cup, and he’s certainly got his way of playing – and it works the majority of the time. At the end of the day though, he probably is a transient manager, and this is another stepping stone onto one of the major jobs he’s no doubt got his eye on.

As for Parish, he cops all sorts of flak on here but people skip over the real point. The whole crux of the argument was that Texter never had control – it was only ever 25% on major matters, the same as every other shareholder. So Parish is effectively operating as a CEO. He’ll have a transfer pot he can work within, but beyond that – if it means applying extra funds or going bigger than the agreed budget – it needs all the shareholders to sign off. And billionaires don’t tend to do that lightly. There is also PSR to consider as well.

At the end of the day, Parish was put into a tricky position. You sell a player and you lose your key defender – and probably your manager as well. You keep him, and suddenly there’s a £35 million dent in the budget. Either way, it’s a hit. And truthfully, if a club really wanted Guéhi, they could have come in a lot earlier in the summer. They didn’t.

Could we do business earlier? Sure. But if you’ve got to sell to buy, sometimes you wait. That’s football. People forget Chelsea were a yo-yo club under Ken Bates before the money came in. We’re punching above our weight, and this is probably our “moment in the sun” as much as anything.

Guéhi will do what’s best for Guéhi, Glasner will do what’s best for Glasner, and Parish will do what’s best for the club. It doesn’t always line up with what we as fans want, but that’s the reality.

And really, it’s all part of the theatre. Glasner can’t lose here. If we have a poor season, he can point at the lack of recruitment, lack of reinforcements, lack of support. If we have a good season, his stock goes through the roof anyway. So by allegedly chucking his rattle out the pram, he’s basically secured himself a win-win. Either way, he walks away looking the clever one.

 

[RubinsCube]

I didn't understand any of that. What you say is "we want x amount for Guehi by x date and that is the only way he'll leave". You tell Guehi the same and that's that. No confusion, no trouble. You just reject anything below. Doesn't take Parish's involvement anymore. A woman in the office can accept the bid or reject it under clear instructions. Why we make everything so difficult is beyond me. I'm presuming it's everything gets run past Steve in a WhatsApp group but the coverage at Selhurst is poor. We all know that.

Maybe that's true in this specific case and you are right it would make things very transparent for all parties which can only be a good thing.

But what if several clubs come in for a player and there is a bidding war?

"Hey Marc, Liverpool came in with the bid we talked about so that's all great news. But here's the thing: Dog Turd Park FC with their new megabucks owners just offered £20million more and we want you to think about going there. Actually, we might not accept the Liverpool offer because it looks like your market value has changed."

Plus the "we want X by X date" assumes replacements are in the door by Y date if it is an important player looking to leave.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Both untrue.

He probably knew what the “rules” were but neither how they would be applied or was able to apply them anyway. You cannot force a non compliant shareholder to do anything. Only they can decide.

For the reasons already posted it’s much easier to theorise about doing deals than actually doing them. You cannot force clubs to sell or players to sign. When only a tiny number meet the desired criteria you are fishing in a small pond and our bait isn’t often as attractive as others.

How can you say both are untrue then say probably which means you don’t know yourself. It’s also not untrue that Glasner required a CH before pre-season, he’s said it enough times and please don’t use the worn out excuse there was no one out there to buy. Many teams bought their target players right at the start of the window.

Also, how do you know that Glasner didn’t give him a list of a dozen centre half’s and Parish did not act on any of them? You don’t, so please don’t tell me that what I said was untrue because you simply do not know. All we do know is that he failed to act on the MCO situation either through naivety or design and failed to get in a CH that would have kept Glasner happy so that he could have sold Guehi as he wished.

 

[Surrey Hills]

More power to OG , Parish should keep his head when infront of the cameras , a truly mistimed comment on MG from
Him, keep your own council SP and stop acting like pundit who knows nothing

 

[Rudi Hedman]

If I was Parish I would be hopping mad with Glasner for speaking out in public as he did. Unless it was all by agreement and intended to produce the outcome it did.

After all Glasner is an employee tasked to do a job and be very well paid for doing so. No different to the players. He has a duty to his employer to point out the consequences of anything he thinks might impact his capacity to perform his task, but that is done in private. Not in press conferences.

Imagine what would happen to a player who did that! They would be fined, or worse.

So, much as I hope I am wrong, I am not sure that this episode is yet over and the page can be turned. If I was Parish there would be a gritty meeting on the horizon in which much praise would be offered but also some very clear boundaries drawn on where the respective limits lie.

The more I think about it I suspect Glasner expecting control over almost everything was the reason Dougie bailed out and how Parish responds to this challenge will be a big test for him. Which after the UEFA shenanigans was all he needed.

I don’t think the criticism of Parish being posted here is justified in any way. He is one of us and deserves our support at all times. Especially when faced with tricky situations and decisions.

Unfortunately for your morals, football has very few or works in its own way, as Jordan couldn’t accept, and p1ssed off the rest of the leagues, yet pleased the public. And managers everywhere comment on lack of transfer activity or name subs benches and make subs that highlight the problem. So save us the model middle management lecture on this one. Parish decides how he resources his manager who admittedly won’t sign an extension, not lay down the law on our best ever manager. Glasner can walk out and get a job pretty quickly if you hadn’t noticed. Jeez you think you know everything.

 

[RubinsCube]

If I was Parish I would be hopping mad with Glasner for speaking out in public as he did. Unless it was all by agreement and intended to produce the outcome it did.

After all Glasner is an employee tasked to do a job and be very well paid for doing so. No different to the players. He has a duty to his employer to point out the consequences of anything he thinks might impact his capacity to perform his task, but that is done in private. Not in press conferences.

Imagine what would happen to a player who did that! They would be fined, or worse.

So, much as I hope I am wrong, I am not sure that this episode is yet over and the page can be turned. If I was Parish there would be a gritty meeting on the horizon in which much praise would be offered but also some very clear boundaries drawn on where the respective limits lie.

The more I think about it I suspect Glasner expecting control over almost everything was the reason Dougie bailed out and how Parish responds to this challenge will be a big test for him. Which after the UEFA shenanigans was all he needed.

I don’t think the criticism of Parish being posted here is justified in any way. He is one of us and deserves our support at all times. Especially when faced with tricky situations and decisions.

A laudable stance, but not always compatible with the media commitments managers also have to undertake where they are asked a range of provocative/intrusive/loaded questions by fawning journalists and other media types.

I think OG generally gets it right: he is an empath who seems relatively straightforward and who tends to treat people with honesty and respect. I do not see too much BS in his interviews. I do see concise and fluff free insights presented in an emotionally intelligent and warm way.

I suspect that is his character: he probably is like that with the random Palace fans whom he bumped into at Battersea minigolf courses when out with his family last weekend, players and staff in the football world more generally, or the media.

In the last few weeks things clearly have been strained between board (not just SP) and manager. It seems very likely the MG transfer was a line in the sand for OG, although unless you were in the room or a fly on the wall it is hard to know for sure. From OG's perspective, he was talking about not getting signings in early enough well before the Liverpool bid for MG came in.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out in the coming weeks.

 

[EagleinSF]

Maybe that's true in this specific case and you are right it would make things very transparent for all parties which can only be a good thing.

But what if several clubs come in for a player and there is a bidding war?

"Hey Marc, Liverpool came in with the bid we talked about so that's all great news. But here's the thing: Dog Turd Park FC with their new megabucks owners just offered £20million more and we want you to think about going there. Actually, we might not accept the Liverpool offer because it looks like your market value has changed."

Plus the "we want X by X date" assumes replacements are in the door by Y date if it is an important player looking to leave.

That's very disparaging to Newcastle 🙂

 

[Spindle]

Not a happy MG, understandably

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Yeah well hope it says "I signed a 5 year contract"

 

[RubinsCube]

That's very disparaging to Newcastle 🙂

😆 I was talking generally - certainly not about about The Toon where I lived for a few years during Keegan Mania and have fond memories.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

How can you say both are untrue then say probably which means you don’t know yourself. It’s also not untrue that Glasner required a CH before pre-season, he’s said it enough times and please don’t use the worn out excuse there was no one out there to buy. Many teams bought their target players right at the start of the window.

Also, how do you know that Glasner didn’t give him a list of a dozen centre half’s and Parish did not act on any of them? You don’t, so please don’t tell me that what I said was untrue because you simply do not know. All we do know is that he failed to act on the MCO situation either through naivety or design and failed to get in a CH that would have kept Glasner happy so that he could have sold Guehi as he wished.

Because you were stating certainties whilst I am expressing doubts. It’s untrue that what you suggested was definitely true. None of us know. You included.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

A laudable stance, but not always compatible with the media commitments managers also have to undertake where they are asked a range of provocative/intrusive/loaded questions by fawning journalists and other media types.

I think OG generally gets it right: he is an empath who seems relatively straightforward and who tends to treat people with honesty and respect. I do not see too much BS in his interviews. I do see concise and fluff free insights presented in an emotionally intelligent and warm way.

I suspect that is his character: he probably is like that with the random Palace fans whom he bumped into at Battersea minigolf courses when out with his family last weekend, players and staff in the football world more generally, or the media.

In the last few weeks things clearly have been strained between board (not just SP) and manager. It seems very likely the MG transfer was a line in the sand for OG, although unless you were in the room or a fly on the wall it is hard to know for sure. From OG's perspective, he was talking about not getting signings in early enough well before the Liverpool bid for MG came in.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out in the coming weeks.

Sure, Parish may sympathise, forgive him but warn him it cannot happen again so he must keep his own counsel. Other managers do so. He might well have been frustrated about the lateness of the signings but he isn’t the one running the finances. He is coaching the team, picked from the players the club have employed. He might not be well versed in corporate matters so needs to do his job and leave other jobs to those who are. I don’t blame him at all for pointing out the difficulties it causes, but I do blame him for doing it in public. It’s neither professional nor, ultimately, helpful.

 

[crvenaeagle]

The fact that Marc is now away on England duty could be a godsend. If he is angry he will have time to get it out of his system before realising that in a short while he will be in an even better position to map out his future. He will have too much at stake to underperform. Difficult for him I know but he has to be pragmatic and he is sensible enough to be so. COYP

Let's see if he's still upset in three months time when he signs a new contract with them with a bumper mega-millions sign on fee.

 

[crvenaeagle]

I only just found out about this leaked video.
Where exactly was it leaked to?
Because there isn't actually any farewell in there, it's literally just a montage of old footage.

 

[Spindle]

Farewell videos pah. That's club bullshit to soften the blow and rare for a transfer. The Eze one, f*** off, what a mockery.

I only want to see them for the likes of Wardy and Jules.

 

[CT Charlie]

If I was Parish I would be hopping mad with Glasner for speaking out in public as he did. Unless it was all by agreement and intended to produce the outcome it did.

After all Glasner is an employee tasked to do a job and be very well paid for doing so. No different to the players. He has a duty to his employer to point out the consequences of anything he thinks might impact his capacity to perform his task, but that is done in private. Not in press conferences.

Imagine what would happen to a player who did that! They would be fined, or worse.

So, much as I hope I am wrong, I am not sure that this episode is yet over and the page can be turned. If I was Parish there would be a gritty meeting on the horizon in which much praise would be offered but also some very clear boundaries drawn on where the respective limits lie.

The more I think about it I suspect Glasner expecting control over almost everything was the reason Dougie bailed out and how Parish responds to this challenge will be a big test for him. Which after the UEFA shenanigans was all he needed.

I don’t think the criticism of Parish being posted here is justified in any way. He is one of us and deserves our support at all times. Especially when faced with tricky situations and decisions.

I suspect the reason Dougie bailed out was that the Saudis offered him a salary that was several multiples of whatever he was earning at Palace. Maybe many multiples.

 

[MrRobbo]

I only just found out about this leaked video.
Where exactly was it leaked to?
Because there isn't actually any farewell in there, it's literally just a montage of old footage.

Well exactly.

There is a chance that it could be legit, after all he had his medical so might have instructed his team to start compiling it.

But there isn't any new footage or voice over in there, so it also could be made in about 5 mins with AI.