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Would our club have the necessaries for a mega-stadium ?

I want to get the new stand built, so we can never leave Selhurst.
Shocking ground at the moment, but don’t want a soulless bowl somewhere like godstone.
Get it built. Get rid of the boxes above the Whitehorse , small double tier and put the way fans in it. Then it’s just the Arthur to sort.
 
I couldn't see us filling a 33k seater stadium. Other than the games against the usual "top 6" I have seen large numbers of empty seats at almost every other game this season.

yes we usually fill our Wembley allocations but they are once offs and happen maybe 1 or twice a decade if we are lucky 😅
 
becky said:
They have tried for this already several times before - the main things preventing this were (in o particular order)

The NIMBYS - who seem to wield a disproportion amount of power, probably because they are very well organised to stop ANY development on 'their' park

Having to deal with the 5 Local Authorities that border the park - Bromley, Croydon, Lambeth, Southwark and Lewisham. All of which would be involved in any move there, either for access, roadworks or the park itself.

Planning permission - well, Bromley is the main one for that I believe and they have no interest in facilitating Palace moving to Palace, as they have made plain before.

Getting past those has been tried and failed before, let alone the costs, not only of building the stadium but also those of the 'contribution(s)' for infrastructure costs to the LA's, who would doubtless all want a very large slice of that particular cake!
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All good points.

Councils are virtually bankrupt and have no interest in investing anything in moving Crystal Palace. Getting past Crystal Palace Park at anytime during the day now is a nightmare with volumes of traffic already and access into the Park is limited.
Seeing how long its taken to get various permissions to build a new stand at Selhurst Park, a new stadium at another location is a non starter.
 
Building a brand new large stadium would be financially daft more than anything. We wouldn’t fill above about 30k and wouldn’t generate the revenue from other events. This is where being in London is a challenge as there are so many other options for people running conferences, concerts and so on. Not so much in place like Southampton. Also land is expensive and there aren’t a huge number of sites near us that need redevelopment so there is no incentive for any of the councils to be supportive.
 
MrRobbo said:
I've never understood what the issue with transport is?

There are 2 stations within 10 mins walk!

Whats the expectation? I cant remember ever going to an away ground and not having a 10/15 min walk.
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People who complain say it is the least accessible ground in the country.

They drive to grounds.
 
JHB said:
Building a brand new large stadium would be financially daft more than anything. We wouldn’t fill above about 30k and wouldn’t generate the revenue from other events. This is where being in London is a challenge as there are so many other options for people running conferences, concerts and so on. Not so much in place like Southampton. Also land is expensive and there aren’t a huge number of sites near us that need redevelopment so there is no incentive for any of the councils to be supportive.
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We would comfortably fill a 40k + stadium every EPL match and bigger cup games. Much of that would be season ticket allocations.
 
I've never understood why people say there's bad public transport links to Selhurst Park, you've literally got Norwood Junction, Selhurst and Thornton Heath all within in 10-15 minute walk, what are people after ffs!

I can't see us going to Crystal Palace Park despite all the sense that is talked about having our ground there and we seem committed to Selhurst Park now that we're about to start building the new stand (eventually).

I just wonder what we can do about the Arthur Wait stand though. I mean maybe we could put on a new canteliever roof that might help with the view, but it's more about the space for food and drink and the toilets that probably needs the most work. Not sure what they can do about that beyond pushing into the stand and losing some seats, but then we're losing capacity.

Not like we can build into the road and knock down those houses... 🤔
 
In an ideal world we’d move into a brand new purpose built stadium at CP Park - but we simply don’t have the necessary financial muscle to be able to do it (unless Dougie manages to shmooz the Saudi’ s into buying the club!).

Making the best of Selhurst is really the only viable option (at this time) and I do think the current redevelopment plans dramatically improve the old place visually and from a fan match day experience perspective.

Up the Palace!
 
eaglesdare said:
I have seen large numbers of empty seats at almost every other game this season.
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does anybody know about these empty seats.....are they

a. sold & unoccupied
or
b. unsold

i know a few season ticket holders who are always too busy to attend every game. We also know that people owning the cheap seats can sometimes relocate to a better spot, after the match has started. The feckers have tried to rob my seat on more than one occasion.
 
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Davepalace707 said:
It would be a gamble. You wouldn’t know if you could fill it until it was built. Looking at this list every club with a stadium over 40,000 has a bigger fan base than us, you would think. And also having a stadium over 30,000 is absolutely no guarantee of success.
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All 3 of the promoted clubs, who now appear to be the relegated 3 teams have capacities of over 30k which they fill each week.

Having said that with Fulham's new stand taking their capacity to over 29k i believe there are only 2 smaller grounds than Selhurst in the Prem - Brentford and Bournemouth.

If we stand still eventually teams will move above us. The new stand with it's extra 9k seats and massively increased executive/hospitality seems a sensible step (as long as we can afford it!).

I believe Arsenal take £3m per match day on 60k crowds - so on average £50 a head
Palace do c£750k on 25k crowds - so c£30 a head.

Hopefully we can bridge this gap with increased hospitality rather than fleecing 'regular' supporters
 
PalazioVecchio said:
does anybody know about these empty seats.....are they

a. sold & unoccupied
or
b. unsold

i know a few season ticket holders who are always too busy to attend every game. We also know that people owning the cheap seats can sometimes relocate to a better spot, after the match has started. The feckers have tried to rob my seat on more than one occasion.
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From my own experience I have not been able to resell my season ticket this season as much as I have last season. I always put it up for resale or try to sell on here. More often then not this season no one has bought it and it remains empty for the game.
 
eaglesdare said:
From my own experience I have not been able to resell my season ticket this season as much as I have last season. I always put it up for resale or try to sell on here. More often then not this season no one has bought it and it remains empty for the game.
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I have on occasion struggled to get tickets on gold membership.
Where is your season ticket seat eagledare?
 
There are so many obstacles that would stop it realistically happening. The Crystal Palace Sports Centre would be the favoured option for most but you'd need a Trump style Mayor of London who was (ideally a Palace fan) willing to ride roughshod over the NIMBYs, willing to not only give permission for a 60,000 seat stadium but to also put money in to surrounding infrastructure. A village type area with bars, restaurants, cafes, a couple of leisure activities. To help with the redesign and cost of transport links into/out of the area. And on top of this it would need to be pushed through as fast as possible because even at lighting speed a development such as this would take 5 years minimum from start to finish and you wouldn't get any change out of a billion quid.

Lets assume for one second that the thousand reasons why it cant happen didn't exist and we had the money as well as the permission? Yes, I believe if we continued to steadily progress on the pitch we would fill it. In fact if we filled it week in week out our progress on the pitch would probably accelerate.
 
Having a stadium with 34K would give us the 15th biggest club stadium in England, which is about on par with where we sit in the current football hierarchy.

If we advance to a level where we can finish in the top ten regularly, then perhaps a stadium of 40k would be suitable. That can be done at Selhurst if the Sainsbury's end is enlarged.
In order to have a new stadium, we first have to find somewhere available to build it and have sufficient funds to finance it.
One of these days maybe, but not in my lifetime I suspect.
 
Of course, there are broadly two types of clubs with BIG Stadia....

a. Historic huge, likely not much mortgage anymore ( Newcastle , Staeu Bucharest, the Old Old trafford )

b. Likely swimming in debt.....new Everton, Spurs, Atletico Madrid.....

A big stadium is no guarantee of a big income stream that you can actually spend on players. Also your local economy & demographic will influence the kind of ticket prices you can charge. Do not be surprised if little Leyton Orient make more money on match-day - all those London city workers. Better than the giant stadium of Steua Bucharest which is mostly full of impecunious people.

It is no coincidence that the champions league top 16 rarely includes cities that are skint.
 
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