World cup 2026

Let’s also consider his squad choice:
No natural LB
Picking players who were injured or not playing regularly : Jordan Henderson, Saka , Stones
Picking players who are not up to it: Mainoo, Burn, Madueke, Toney

Not picking players who may have made a difference: Wharton ( can unpick a defence with one pass), MGW ( highest scoring MF in PL) , Bowen ( look at his goals and assists in a poor team).Mitchell, maybe not the best going forward but probably best LB defensive wise, how we could have done with him ,last night. Cole Palmer
How many minutes did Eze, Rashford , Watkins get?

I put the abject performance totally on Tuchel, whatever he says
Apropos Tuchel's squad selections, he has taken a system-first approach to International football, accordingly the players he selected were the ones he deemed could best carry out the roles he wanted in his England team.
Southgate adopted a different approach aiming to get the best talent in a functioning and balanced starting 11.
England reached a World Cup semi-final by beating Mexico and Norway in the knock-out stages, countries who were rated 14th and 31st in the World rankings.
 
Apropos Tuchel's squad selections, he has taken a system-first approach to International football, accordingly the players he selected were the ones he deemed could best carry out the roles he wanted in his England team.
Southgate adopted a different approach aiming to get the best talent in a functioning and balanced starting 11.
England reached a World Cup semi-final by beating Mexico and Norway in the knock-out stages, countries who were rated 14th and 31st in the World rankings.
That's a fair enough approach but did anyone genuinely expect England to finish any higher than the semis?
Argentina got there after beating Algeria, Austria, Jordan, Cape Verde, Egypt and Switzerland none of whom should have presented much of a problem.
 
I usually shrug off England results immediately, but something about this one has stayed with me.

I think it's because of the hubris. We all take great delight in seeing clubs like Chelsea and Man United fail, but it's especially sweet when they fail despite employing loads of expensive and very clever experts to make certain of success. When they fail because they appointed loads of experts... Well, that's just perfect.

I now see that in England and the FA. The England managers job used to be the pinnacle of the domestic game, the natural reward and honour for the best English manager (at least in theory). That was kind of the point. The manager, like the players, was the best our football could muster to represent us.

The FA f***ed that off when they appointed Sven. I'm not especially patriotic and certainly not very nationalistic, but to me there's no point in national representative football if you then import the expertise for money.

They justify it by saying they want the best manager they can get. They've appointed Capello, now Tuchel too. They've tried for Wenger, Guardiola, Mourinho. Not only do English managers not get good club jobs in England, the national football association, who oversees English coach development, won't ring fence it's own job for them. We've just sort of come to accept it, but it's very questionable. If we'd won the tournament it would have been a triumph for German coaching. Still, they've decided and that's the end of it. No need to try and assess public opinion. They know best.

Then, this mad idea that if we just pay enough money to an 'elite' coach it'll get us over the line. Sven was pretty successful as a club manager. Capello was a legend. Tuchel's won big things. End result? Much the same as ever. No different really to when Robson or Southgate did it. Could it possibly be that an 'elite' coach is actually usually just one with the best players? Could it be that top, successful club managers don't necessarily make successful, or even good, international ones? Is it irrelevant that the most successful England manager of the modern age had none of that top level experience?

Why do the FA continue to look internationally for the most expensive, biggest name when there's no evidence it makes much difference?

I think they are in thrall to the the cult of the expert. They are like the failing big clubs, they believe if they hire enough expertise they can impose control. You can't. There is no pattern to football success. They might as well start praying to some ancient sun God or something. Just accept that past a certain point, you're simply wasting money.

As a football nation we spent a kings ransom on the national team in terms of management , staff, facilities and resources, much of which could have gone into youth pitches. I haven't seen a single return on that money that we couldn't have got anyway. They could have provided the players with the bare minimum support and coaching staff, faxed through a team sheet before the game, left them to it and we'd have been no worse off.

They say an expert can be defined as someone able to convince you that you can't do it yourself. That you need them, because it's so complicated. That's what's happened to football generally, and especially to the big clubs. It's the definition of corporate foolishness and waste. Fine. f*** the big clubs. To see the FA emersed in it is different.
 
That's a fair enough approach but did anyone genuinely expect England to finish any higher than the semis?
Argentina got there after beating Algeria, Austria, Jordan, Cape Verde, Egypt and Switzerland none of whom should have presented much of a problem.
The point I was making is that there are those who will deem England reaching the semi-final as some kind of 'Success', however in the knock-out matches our opponents were hardly at an elevated level.
England's performances overall were not inspiring and despite reaching the latter stages of the competition in my humble estimation they have not emerged with any 'Credit' in the bank.
 
The point I was making is that there are those who will deem England reaching the semi-final as some kind of 'Success', however in the knock-out matches our opponents were hardly at an elevated level.
England's performances overall were not inspiring and despite reaching the latter stages of the competition in my humble estimation they have not emerged with any 'Credit' in the bank.
England weren't particularly inspiring but the top four ranked teams reached the semifinals so we didn't fail to meet expectations in terms of results. My point was the difference between expecting England to win the World Cup and hoping we would are very different.
 
Let’s also consider his squad choice:
No natural LB
Picking players who were injured or not playing regularly : Jordan Henderson, Saka , Stones
Picking players who are not up to it: Mainoo, Burn, Madueke, Toney

Not picking players who may have made a difference: Wharton ( can unpick a defence with one pass), MGW ( highest scoring MF in PL) , Bowen ( look at his goals and assists in a poor team).Mitchell, maybe not the best going forward but probably best LB defensive wise, how we could have done with him ,last night. Cole Palmer
How many minutes did Eze, Rashford , Watkins get?

I put the abject performance totally on Tuchel, whatever he says
A lot of sensible Analysis on this thread over the last 24 hours, but this should not be overlooked.

A terrible squad, full of inbalance, and injury risked players. and now obviously full of players that he had no intention/no courage to use.
If I was Watkins or Mainoo I'd be fuming with Tuchel. Toney(only taken for pens, apparently) got minutes over Watkins(the form striker in the PL). Henderson (!) got minutes over Mainoo.

and that's not even starting on who he didn't take in the first place. MGW was the standout omission for me, but in hindsight, what I'd give for Bowen to have been Selected. He must have been watching Madueke and Saka enraged before throwing things at Danny Dyers TV.
 
I usually shrug off England results immediately, but something about this one has stayed with me.

I think it's because of the hubris. We all take great delight in seeing clubs like Chelsea and Man United fail, but it's especially sweet when they fail despite employing loads of expensive and very clever experts to make certain of success. When they fail because they appointed loads of experts... Well, that's just perfect.

I now see that in England and the FA. The England managers job used to be the pinnacle of the domestic game, the natural reward and honour for the best English manager (at least in theory). That was kind of the point. The manager, like the players, was the best our football could muster to represent us.

The FA f***ed that off when they appointed Sven. I'm not especially patriotic and certainly not very nationalistic, but to me there's no point in national representative football if you then import the expertise for money.

They justify it by saying they want the best manager they can get. They've appointed Capello, now Tuchel too. They've tried for Wenger, Guardiola, Mourinho. Not only do English managers not get good club jobs in England, the national football association, who oversees English coach development, won't ring fence it's own job for them. We've just sort of come to accept it, but it's very questionable. If we'd won the tournament it would have been a triumph for German coaching. Still, they've decided and that's the end of it. No need to try and assess public opinion. They know best.

Then, this mad idea that if we just pay enough money to an 'elite' coach it'll get us over the line. Sven was pretty successful as a club manager. Capello was a legend. Tuchel's won big things. End result? Much the same as ever. No different really to when Robson or Southgate did it. Could it possibly be that an 'elite' coach is actually usually just one with the best players? Could it be that top, successful club managers don't necessarily make successful, or even good, international ones? Is it irrelevant that the most successful England manager of the modern age had none of that top level experience?

Why do the FA continue to look internationally for the most expensive, biggest name when there's no evidence it makes much difference?

I think they are in thrall to the the cult of the expert. They are like the failing big clubs, they believe if they hire enough expertise they can impose control. You can't. There is no pattern to football success. They might as well start praying to some ancient sun God or something. Just accept that past a certain point, you're simply wasting money.

As a football nation we spent a kings ransom on the national team in terms of management , staff, facilities and resources, much of which could have gone into youth pitches. I haven't seen a single return on that money that we couldn't have got anyway. They could have provided the players with the bare minimum support and coaching staff, faxed through a team sheet before the game, left them to it and we'd have been no worse off.

They say an expert can be defined as someone able to convince you that you can't do it yourself. That you need them, because it's so complicated. That's what's happened to football generally, and especially to the big clubs. It's the definition of corporate foolishness and waste. Fine. f*** the big clubs. To see the FA emersed in it is different.

Great post and can I add to this- go look up Spanish coach Luis De La Fuente's coaching CV.
Put that next to Tuchel you wouldn't even think of a comparison.
That backs up your claim about hiring your own and it isn't worth going elite, spending Elite, and especially going non English.
The big kicker (to me) is that he was coach of the U19, U21 teams. This means he only continues what the Spanish players know and have been taught how to play for over a decade. He doesn't need to be an 'Elite' manager, only to tell them to do as they usually do.
Compare that with us. Relying on individual brilliance to get past teams. No identity. Can anyone tell me how England plays?
St George's Park was built to start a dynasty.


Did we see any of that in play? Do we think we will see it in the coming years?
 
Apropos Tuchel's squad selections, he has taken a system-first approach to International football, accordingly the players he selected were the ones he deemed could best carry out the roles he wanted in his England team.
Southgate adopted a different approach aiming to get the best talent in a functioning and balanced starting 11.
England reached a World Cup semi-final by beating Mexico and Norway in the knock-out stages, countries who were rated 14th and 31st in the World rankings.
I thought Mexico were 10th; and Norway was not the Norway of that ranking.
 
I thought Mexico were 10th; and Norway was not the Norway of that ranking.
I believe Mexico and Norway have been elevated in the rankings however they are hardly considered to be in the higher echelons of the game.
At least with England eliminated, a 'Public House' I frequent will return to normality and I will not have to seemingly wait an eternity for a tipple !!!!
 
Great post and can I add to this- go look up Spanish coach Luis De La Fuente's coaching CV.
Put that next to Tuchel you wouldn't even think of a comparison.
That backs up your claim about hiring your own and it isn't worth going elite, spending Elite, and especially going non English.
The big kicker (to me) is that he was coach of the U19, U21 teams. This means he only continues what the Spanish players know and have been taught how to play for over a decade. He doesn't need to be an 'Elite' manager, only to tell them to do as they usually do.
Compare that with us. Relying on individual brilliance to get past teams. No identity. Can anyone tell me how England plays?
St George's Park was built to start a dynasty.


Did we see any of that in play? Do we think we will see it in the coming years?
Southgate came up from U21 so they were listening to you... and then reverted.

I am not persuaded by the comment about England facing weak opposition. Firstly, all the final 4 did. Secondly, all the "weak" teams we played came with a plan to beat us; same with France, Spain and Argentina. The arrogance of assuming we would easily clear them all away evaporated when Spain played Cape Verde.

And the point I think I am agreeing with (?) is we did not play within our DNA v Argentina.

Footballers are great athletes and not totally dim-witted but... They excel if they are mercilessly trained repetitive muscle memory stuff and import that training into the international game from their day job. For Bayern, Real and the top tier EPL clubs - where the bulk come from - that is high block; or mid block from the mid table clubs like ours. Low block is the newly promoted and weaker teams struggling for a foothold. Or Cape Verde. It is no longer us and has not been for some time.

Our team was not optimally selected but still better than Argentina. Yet we asked players who never play park-the-bus to play that tactic when we could have continued to press far up field and probably won comfortably. I suspect Argentina are still pinching themselves we tactically handed them the Final.

I am still seething now.
 
Southgate came up from U21 so they were listening to you... and then reverted.

I am not persuaded by the comment about England facing weak opposition. Firstly, all the final 4 did. Secondly, all the "weak" teams we played came with a plan to beat us; same with France, Spain and Argentina. The arrogance of assuming we would easily clear them all away evaporated when Spain played Cape Verde.

And the point I think I am agreeing with (?) is we did not play within our DNA v Argentina.

Footballers are great athletes and not totally dim-witted but... They excel if they are mercilessly trained repetitive muscle memory stuff and import that training into the international game from their day job. For Bayern, Real and the top tier EPL clubs - where the bulk come from - that is high block; or mid block from the mid table clubs like ours. Low block is the newly promoted and weaker teams struggling for a foothold. Or Cape Verde. It is no longer us and has not been for some time.

Our team was not optimally selected but still better than Argentina. Yet we asked players who never play park-the-bus to play that tactic when we could have continued to press far up field and probably won comfortably. I suspect Argentina are still pinching themselves we tactically handed them the Final.

I am still seething now.

I can't agree with this. English teams have very few top english players in them, and those playing abroad do so in a minority. As someone mentioned earlier, we have no one that plays this position in any team in the world. Anderson probably being the closest. Wharton, maybe. I honestly don't know where Mainoo plays!! The problem is that in these situations, where they Are under pressure, England can't manouvre out of tight spaces efficiently as a team, infact we do very little 'as a team'.

So highblock/midblock/lowblock is a moot point as whichever block you employ you need the whole team to know what they're playing, what their role is, and in the main; the players to play those systems. We had injured players playing out of position making bad decisions with very little supporting of each other, all waiting for someone else to do something.

Of the goals we scored, very few could be classed as 'good moves' or off the back of an extended run of possession. Rashfords vs croatia maybe? The rest were set peices or individual brilliance. not a problem per se, but demonstrates that we're not great in possession, and prefer the 'Chaos' method, riding our luck and relying on luck breaks and opponents mistakes much of the time.

We never 'asked' the team to play park-the-bus, they did that themselves. Then the manager compounded it, giving them no option but to continue doing it.
 
A lot of sensible Analysis on this thread over the last 24 hours, but this should not be overlooked.

A terrible squad, full of inbalance, and injury risked players. and now obviously full of players that he had no intention/no courage to use.
If I was Watkins or Mainoo I'd be fuming with Tuchel. Toney(only taken for pens, apparently) got minutes over Watkins(the form striker in the PL). Henderson (!) got minutes over Mainoo.

and that's not even starting on who he didn't take in the first place. MGW was the standout omission for me, but in hindsight, what I'd give for Bowen to have been Selected. He must have been watching Madueke and Saka enraged before throwing things at Danny Dyers TV.
The ironic thing is that about the only circumstances that made sense for him to be on the pitch were exactly those that applied in the Argentina match. Coming on to beef up the midfield and gee up the troops to see the game out. And the idiot got himself injured
 
The ironic thing is that about the only circumstances that made sense for him to be on the pitch were exactly those that applied in the Argentina match. Coming on to beef up the midfield and gee up the troops to see the game out. And the idiot got himself injured
And that will probably what people remember about his career. That and Alec Ferguson saying he, "ran from his knees".
 

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