Woke is alive and well

[DanH]

Sounds like your parenting style is simply to give them everything they want. That makes them happy, but also fkd up little wankers

Quite a difference between letting eat a load of cake and being a fundamental part of their own being.

I still don’t understand why you feel like you can tell trans people who they can and can’t be as a human being.

 

[cryrst]

Quite a difference between letting eat a load of cake and being a fundamental part of their own being.

I still don’t understand why you feel like you can tell trans people who they can and can’t be as a human being.

That’s not what’s ever been said. To say it’s wrong is an opinion which isn’t allowed unless you want to be cancelled or arrested.

 

[ASCPFC]

"Let's judge people of yesteryear by today's extremes"

A warning to those endorsing that - it'll happen to you.

The BBC will do a piece soon "Henry VIII - The Misogynist"

Believe you me, that is all the stuff on Henry VIII these days.

 

[ASCPFC]

Quite a difference between letting eat a load of cake and being a fundamental part of their own being.

I still don’t understand why you feel like you can tell trans people who they can and can’t be as a human being.

I would say there are some genuine Trans people. However, when it started to be celebrated and promoted, that was unnecessary and pandering to lobby groups. Acceptance and toleration is fine; overtly promoting to kids in particular is not fine. Sexuality does not really require any kind of celebration: I'm not sure why we think it does. You are whatever you are. You don't need to throw a party because of it. Nor do you need to be ashamed.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Believe you me, that is all the stuff on Henry VIII these days.

A guy who likes that much head most definitely doesn't hate women.

 

[Badger11]

Someone being happy isn't some panacea.

Are you saying that mentally ill people can't be happy?

Hey, you could disregard mental illness and just say an extremely fat person eating cake is happy, but were you right in giving the cake?.....someone smoking fags with bad lungs can be happy.

I'm also a bit concerned that you used the word, 'kid' in this context......Anything involving this kind of thing should strictly be reserved to adulthood.

We have a young person in our extended family who (I don't know the words gender fluid?) appears to be gay and likes to dress as a woman. They flip flop all over the place. Unsurprisingly they are unemployed, I would guess that most employers would feel if you can't decide something as fundamental as your gender or sexual orientation you are not a good decision maker.

They are happy but for how long? There's not a lot the parents can do (they are supportive) but they will have to find their own way.

I think when you are in your teens most people will be tolerant as this is part of the growing up process that young people do. However if they are still like this in their thirties I suspect most people will be exasperated "sort your life out".

 

[eaglesdare]

We have a young person in our extended family who (I don't know the words gender fluid?) appears to be gay and likes to dress as a woman. They flip flop all over the place. Unsurprisingly they are unemployed, I would guess that most employers would feel if you can't decide something as fundamental as your gender or sexual orientation you are not a good decision maker.

They are happy but for how long? There's not a lot the parents can do (they are supportive) but they will have to find their own way.

I think when you are in your teens most people will be tolerant as this is part of the growing up process that young people do. However if they are still like this in their thirties I suspect most people will be exasperated "sort your life out".

Its no secret that there is high suicides and suicide attempts and thoughts by those who are trans. We need to find a better way to deal with "gender confusion" rather than mutilate young children and even adults.

 

[Stirlingsays]

We have a young person in our extended family who (I don't know the words gender fluid?) appears to be gay and likes to dress as a woman. They flip flop all over the place. Unsurprisingly they are unemployed, I would guess that most employers would feel if you can't decide something as fundamental as your gender or sexual orientation you are not a good decision maker.

They are happy but for how long? There's not a lot the parents can do (they are supportive) but they will have to find their own way.

I think when you are in your teens most people will be tolerant as this is part of the growing up process that young people do. However if they are still like this in their thirties I suspect most people will be exasperated "sort your life out".

With liberal parents, unless they have been gifted a talented child who does well, they just end up producing kids who can't function well and adapt to the very real stresses, setbacks and daily problems of real life. Conservative parents produce more resilient children because their parents believe in role models and objective realities over relativism and non lifestyle judgement.

With many liberal raised children as soon as they leave the nest they are floundering.

That's not successful parenting.

The whole point of parenting is you are raising someone who can succeed when you are no longer there.....Unless you have a child with cognitive set-backs (thankfully a small percent) that should be the expectation.

The liberal worldview doesn't have a good track record. I'll make the point here that I've also seen many parents who think of themselves as liberals and left wing but in reality when you look at what they do and their expectations for their children....you realise that it's mostly performative and done to fit in with their social groups.

As soon as it's something that costs them to be liberal......they just avoid it.

 

[DanH]

Its no secret that there is high suicides and suicide attempts and thoughts by those who are trans. We need to find a better way to deal with "gender confusion" rather than mutilate young children and even adults.

Have you ever stopped to think that being called ‘deviants’, ‘degenerates’, ‘mentally ill’ and the rest, as well as people trying to ban you from using the toilet you most feel comfortable using and being made to feel unwelcome could be adding to this?

Or is that too much joined up thinking for you?

 

[DanH]

With liberal parents, unless they have been gifted a talented child who does well, they just end up producing kids who can't function well and adapt to the very real stresses, setbacks and daily problems of real life. Conservative parents produce more resilient children because their parents believe in role models and objective realities over relativism and non lifestyle judgement.

With many liberal raised children as soon as they leave the nest they are floundering.

That's not successful parenting.

The whole point of parenting is you are raising someone who can succeed when you are no longer there.....Unless you have a child with cognitive set-backs (thankfully a small percent) that should be the expectation.

The liberal worldview doesn't have a good track record. I'll make the point here that I've also seen many parents who think of themselves as liberals and left wing but in reality when you look at what they do and their expectations for their children....you realise that it's mostly performative and done to fit in with their social groups.

As soon as it's something that costs them to be liberal......they just avoid it.

Jesus wept. Another astoundingly arrogant and condescending post with absolutely nothing to back up the absurd claims.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Jesus wept. Another astoundingly arrogant and condescending post with absolutely nothing to back up the absurd claims.

Well, I'm 56 and I've seen and learnt it from life experience.

But I'm sure if I could be bothered to research it the reality could be found in statistics as well.

Even from off the top of my head I can remember the stats that said that people with left wing politics suffered from higher mental illness, I would imagine at least part of that would be related to upbringing.....I would be interested to know how you account for it.

Then there is suicide rates amongst those with mental illness and minority sexual identities.

The 'Jesus wept' aspect is more your denial of reality Dan.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Have you ever stopped to think that being called ‘deviants’, ‘degenerates’, ‘mentally ill’ and the rest, as well as people trying to ban you from using the toilet you most feel comfortable using and being made to feel unwelcome could be adding to this?

Or is that too much joined up thinking for you?

You are on the left.....So you regard name calling and being made to feel unwelcome as seriously adding to suicide statistics?

You yourself spend an enjoyable amount of time slagging people off here.....which I don't criticise you for as it's your right.....especially as I'm enjoyably guilty of much the same....However, I do recognise a line and employ a certain amount of tongue and cheek.
However, you do realise that the biggest name callers and cancellers are the left wing, especially activists who obsess over opinion differences and have looked to get people sacked and so on.....during our woke era they have destroyed many a life this way for someone having the 'wrong opinions'.

I'm sure that most of us are aware that among the most mentally ill and vulnerable name calling does result in higher suicide.

So are you recognising that trans people are mentally ill?

That would suggest that raising those with these conditions within a stable family with good defined role models for male and female would be a sensible approach. Then if as an adult they still wanted to live as the opposite sex they would at least be resilient and stable.....thus less likely to top themselves.

Though I think that kind of dissociation with the society around you will always mean those unfortunate stats will always be higher......As I imagine a lot of trans behaviour is a form of autism.

 

[Spindle]

Quite a difference between letting eat a load of cake and being a fundamental part of their own being.

I still don’t understand why you feel like you can tell trans people who they can and can’t be as a human being.

Er....because they are children?

 

[Spindle]

Have you ever stopped to think that being called ‘deviants’, ‘degenerates’, ‘mentally ill’ and the rest, as well as people trying to ban you from using the toilet you most feel comfortable using and being made to feel unwelcome could be adding to this?

Or is that too much joined up thinking for you?

^^^^^ It's the fault of straight people, specifically white men no doubt.


How's that hair shirt Dan?

 

[georgenorman]

Have you ever stopped to think that being called ‘deviants’, ‘degenerates’, ‘mentally ill’ and the rest, as well as people trying to ban you from using the toilet you most feel comfortable using and being made to feel unwelcome could be adding to this?

Or is that too much joined up thinking for you?

Clearly, they fit the accepted definition of ‘deviant’. In some cases they are also degenerates and/or mentally ill.