Where is Parish?

[Linford]

He may have a point yes, but go and call your boss a useless c*** in front of the firm and see where it gets you.
That’s the point, although OG has form for this as it happened at Wolfsburg as well I think.

Funnily enough I did exactly that at one of my former workplaces and continued to work there for at least a year afterwards.

He left a few months down the line though, and I wasn’t the only one who thought it, just the only one who said it (to his face).

 

[cryrst]

Yep, he is our greatest manager, brought us the highest of highs, and our hierarchy keep on letting him down.

We promised him more in summer, we didn’t even attempt to deliver.

We promised to make it up in January, again we are failing to do so and we are selling our best, when we don’t even have depth.

And to top it all off it seems we are doing it without even talking to the manager who is supposed to work with it all.

Any manager would be fed up and you can tell Oli is. He’s given a lot of chances to the club, he’s made his thoughts well known long before now. The blame has to lay with the board.

We had the opportunity to build on a possibly once-in-a-lifetime situation and we’ve fritted it away.

Well it does seem it happened before with other clubs and OG. There is a common denominator and it ain’t parish.

 

[ASCPFC]

Funnily enough I did exactly that at one of my former workplaces and continued to work there for at least a year afterwards.

He left a few months down the line though, and I wasn’t the only one who thought it, just the only one who said it (to his face).

I often feel like doing it so have some sympathy for Glasner. But club comes first for me. We're back to playing catch up again through poor planning and foresight. It would be redeeming if some kind of super manager were already lined up but I think I'm clutching at straws there.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Funnily enough I did exactly that at one of my former workplaces and continued to work there for at least a year afterwards.

He left a few months down the line though, and I wasn’t the only one who thought it, just the only one who said it (to his face).

My mate did it to his boss who hit him round the head with a carpet stretcher. Their working relationship was a bit dubious for a while.

 

[Linford]

Call an emergency general meeting, hold a vote on the chairmanship.

Put one of the Yanks forward for the role.

If they succeed in securing the chair, first act is to cancel any sale of Guéhi.

Second act is to get Matt Hobbs (and Oli) immediately on a train or plane to go and negotiate some incoming first team level transfers… a striker and a right wing back to start with.

Third act is to stick a bumper contract in front of Oli and beg for forgiveness.

 

[Linford]

Well it does seem it happened before with other clubs and OG. There is a common denominator and it ain’t parish.

The common demominator was a lack of support in the transfer market.

Glasner, like any half decent manager, has standards that he is willing to work under. He is completely right to hold clubs to them, especially when they make promises and don’t fulfil them. He would be completely justified to walk away and if it does happen we’ll only have ourselves (as a club) to blame for the inevitable free-fall.

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

The common demominator was a lack of support in the transfer market.

Glasner, like any half decent manager, has standards that he is willing to work under. He is completely right to hold clubs to them, especially when they make promises and don’t fulfil them. He would be completely justified to walk away and if it does happen we’ll only have ourselves (as a club) to blame for the inevitable free-fall.

And why do you think successive clubs didn’t support him in the transfer market, genuine question?

Do you think all three of the (relatively small) clubs he managed had the easy option of spending more but simply chose not to because they didn’t want to win things?

Are there examples of other similarly sized clubs (in terms of revenue) who have spent more without external investment or breaching regulations and achieved sustained success?

From my perspective he can (and will) keep walking away until he finds a club whose revenue matches his ambition. Unfortunately I don’t think Palacr were ever going to be that club.

 

[Linford]

And why do you think successive clubs didn’t support him in the transfer market, genuine question?

Do you think all three of the (relatively small) clubs he managed had the easy option of spending more but simply chose not to because they didn’t want to win things?

Are there examples of other similarly sized clubs (in terms of revenue) who have spent more without external investment or breaching regulations and achieved sustained success?

We have very wealthy backers and after a season where we will have made more direct income than any in living memory have actually decreased overall appending on the previous season.

Clubs that meet exactly the type you are describing include Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Bayer Leverkusen, Nice, Roma, Napoli…

West Ham have frequently outspent us.

Are you telling me David Sullivan or even Don Marinakis have more spending power than Woody Johnson and co?

Also, one very simple thing is not to make promises we can’t keep.

 

[VinceHilaire]

Now isn’t the moment to assign blame or dissect every decision. The priority has to be restoring stability and getting the club back on an even keel.

TalkSport are saying Parish didn’t know OG planned to announce his exit on Friday, which suggests it came from frustration—especially after losing MG, which was a huge blow.

I’m sure Parish will speak with the other shareholders and we’ll see a collective decision made soon—one that puts the best interests of Crystal Palace first.

 

[elgin eeagle]

Now isn’t the moment to assign blame or dissect every decision. The priority has to be restoring stability and getting the club back on an even keel.

TalkSport are saying Parish didn’t know OG planned to announce his exit on Friday, which suggests it came from frustration—especially after losing MG, which was a huge blow.

I’m sure Parish will speak with the other shareholders and we’ll see a collective decision made soon—one that puts the best interests of Crystal Palace first.

I just can't see stability with Glasner in charge anymore. Its massively disrespectful to the players who travelled to Sunderland yesterday to sit on the bench, and a piss take to the fans who travelled to Macclesfield and Sunderland.

If his relationship with the board has broken down irrevocably to the extent that he is giving interviews saying he doesn't care then the only decision is does Parish sack him or put him on gardening leave.

It will just destroy morale even further keeping him on, even worse than keeping an underperforming want away player.

Perhaps we will see the first ever manager swap deal, with Glasner going to Spurs with Frank coming the other way? You could see both chairman being very happy with that outcome for different reasons, although I'm not sure the managers would be that happy missing out on their pay offs.

It would be a good outcome for the club though. We would get a decent manager and hopefully be able to attract enough players in the next 2 weeks to stay up and even have a slight shot at winning the conference league with the pace of Sarr, Munoz and Johnson back in the line up.

 

[HKOwen]

I just can't see stability with Glasner in charge anymore. Its massively disrespectful to the players who travelled to Sunderland yesterday to sit on the bench, and a piss take to the fans who travelled to Macclesfield and Sunderland.

If his relationship with the board has broken down irrevocably to the extent that he is giving interviews saying he doesn't care then the only decision is does Parish sack him or put him on gardening leave.

It will just destroy morale even further keeping him on, even worse than keeping an underperforming want away player.

Perhaps we will see the first ever manager swap deal, with Glasner going to Spurs with Frank coming the other way? You could see both chairman being very happy with that outcome for different reasons, although I'm not sure the managers would be that happy missing out on their pay offs.

It would be a good outcome for the club though. We would get a decent manager and hopefully be able to attract enough players in the next 2 weeks to stay up and even have a slight shot at winning the conference league with the pace of Sarr, Munoz and Johnson back in the line up.

Gardening leave or sack same practical effect. Maybe some financial impact. Glasner only few months left anyway. Frank entitled to £20M in salary plus Spurs paid Brentford £10M in compensation.

Glasner only on around £4M per year

 

[elgin eeagle]

Gardening leave or sack same practical effect. Maybe some financial impact. Glasner only few months left anyway. Frank entitled to £20M in salary plus Spurs paid Brentford £10M in compensation.

Glasner only on around £4M per year

Yes true, a swap deal not involving might be less appealing to Frank than Glasner! Probably why they never seem to happen. Glasner engineering his exit in this way leaves a sour taste, but he has been a very good manager for us otherwise. We will definitely miss him. Just about damage limitation now and trying to get someone in who can rescue the situation so we don't completely implode in spectacular rollercoaster Palace fashion. 8 days we all want to forget and bring in someone else fast to lift the mood somehow.

 

[leejaneagles]

For those harping on about this happening before with Glasner at previous Clubs, so it must be him that’s to blame, remember it’s also happened here to Parish under multiple previous Manager’s.

Tony Pulis is the most famous but I think everyone from Big Sam to Roy have slated the transfer dealings and slowness of the Board at some point.

This has always been after achieving an impossible task and doing something huge for the Club like saving us from relegation.

Parish simply does not learn. He’s like a goldfish. We are odds on to get relegated, a qualified competent Manager comes in and saves us in style despite only having 14 players to choose from. Then Parish gets to the next window and thinks “hmm, if they achieved the impossible with only 14 players, maybe they can achieve it with 12 and I can sell our 2 best and not replace them”.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The thing is, Parish doesn't make decisions on his own. Being on a Board, is much like going on a long car journey with your family.
Who decides where you're going ? What route to take ? Are we there yet ? I need the toilet.
Getting four people to agree a strategy can be a nightmare.
I just want the next decision to be the best one. Not necessarily the quickest one.

 

[Midlands Eagle]

I assume that Glasner doesn't really care whether he receives his salary for another five months or not; he's hardly going to go hungry.

He has a coaching setup of several that came with him who would also presumably be sacked and they have done nothing to deserve it

 

[FinchleyEagle]

Is there any evidence, anywhere, that Parish hasn't fulfilled his promises to OG? Or any other manager? It seems just to be assumption.

We could do with SP making an announcement here, but it also appears that OG has gone rogue and thrown his toys out of the pram publicly, and does that help the club? No.

OG seems to be ignoring we just broke our transfer record on a player and have actually bought several players which HE chose not to play, and he has publicly humiliated with his 'just kids' comment.

If Parish leaves we are in massive trouble. We need OG out immediately as this is a problem all of his own making. He has destroyed his own legacy and even tarnished our greatest ever day with the record-setting performance at Macclesfield.

He is not who we thought he was, and the sooner he's out the better.

 

[Badger11]

I suspect that Parish's version of what has happened may differ from OG's.

OG it appears is trying to ge himself sacked just as he did at Frankfurt.

He's our greatest manager but has a track record of falling out with the club and blaming their lack of ambition.

I think Parish has been silent for 2 reasons.

1. If he disagrees with OG's version it's not professional to say so just before a big game.
2. As others have suggested he may have been blindsided by OG's announcement. The knee jerk reaction would be to deny it and sack the manager. Give Parish some credit he is probably weighing his response.

Does he sack OG or leave him in charge, it's a big decision and one you want to get right. If he gets rid who do you replace him with? A caretaker, or do you go now for the man you had lined up for the end of the season (as we did with Glasner). We don't have a good track record with caretaker managers (from inside the club) so if I was Parish I would be calling up my targets to see whose available.

I suspect that when Parish speaks all will be clear.

 

[Adrift]

I am a great fan of Parish, he cannot let the Austrian talk like he is, be strong, sack him, don't pay him, he must have broken his contract with the statements he has made, come on Steve do the right thing.

That probably tells you where Parish is today, with his lawyers going through Glasner's contract to see if he can sack him without paying up the contract.

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

We have very wealthy backers and after a season where we will have made more direct income than any in living memory have actually decreased overall appending on the previous season.

Clubs that meet exactly the type you are describing include Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Bayer Leverkusen, Nice, Roma, Napoli…

West Ham have frequently outspent us.

Are you telling me David Sullivan or even Don Marinakis have more spending power than Woody Johnson and co?

Also, one very simple thing is not to make promises we can’t keep.

Thanks for the response. Of the English clubs you listed, Forest have broken financial regulations before and almost been relegated, they are also currently 17th, have a manager most of us don’t want and have won nothing, West Ham are 18th and play in a ground that their fans hate. I don’t envy either.

I’m not saying Sullivan or Marinakis has more spending power than our billionaires. As far as I can see our billionaires either can’t (PSR) or don’t want to spend (return on investment).

Fair play Villa are on for their 4th finish in the top seven in a row which is a huge achievment. They have been fined for financial breaches too. Their ground holds 20k more than ours, their revenue on their last published accounts was £275.7 million and ours was £189.2 million - that’s a sizeable difference and greatly affects how much you can spend, generally and to not be in breach of PSR.

PSR rules are over three years so could it be our previous overspending limits our spending this year? parish has said about us paying if previous transfers this year, is that included in the spending you talk about?

If you can show me how we have plenty of space to spend and avoid PSR regulations I’d really like to know. If so the question would be why the board doesn’t want to spend, in Textor’s case it was lack of control. He wanted to take us into an MCO I don’t want that.

I can’t see the others investing without control. I’d like Parish to talk openly about the willingness of others to invest if they had control but I’m not yet convinced I would want him to give that up, I like that we are still led by a fan, as limiting as that is when he isn’t a billionaire.

Fair, I’ll be honest I don’t know the European comparisons as well and they are complicated to make (Seria A with the English and German teams Glasner has managed) so you’d have to educate me. As far as I can see Leverkusen have outperformed Frankfurt with comparable revenue, Wolfsburg are lower than both.

To pick up on your last point if Parish made promises to Glasner we couldn’t keep when we signed him, if we didn’t make promises, we didn’t get him, we don’t win the FA Cup, Community Shield or qualify for Europe, would that be better? I think Parish deserves the credit for hiring Glasner who brought those things but therefore also the criticism for the mess we are in now. I feel similarly about Glasner.

 

[Eaglecoops]

We have very wealthy backers and after a season where we will have made more direct income than any in living memory have actually decreased overall appending on the previous season.

Clubs that meet exactly the type you are describing include Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Bayer Leverkusen, Nice, Roma, Napoli…

West Ham have frequently outspent us.

Are you telling me David Sullivan or even Don Marinakis have more spending power than Woody Johnson and co?

Also, one very simple thing is not to make promises we can’t keep.

You are completely ignoring ffp or whatever it’s called now. Newcastle are the richest club in the league but cannot spend on new players, we are in exactly the same position with our billionaire owners.

My gripe at the club is that when we do reach the end of a cycle of expenditure and can spend some money, we spend large fees on players like Pino, Nketiah, Esse, Canvot and Johnson. I don’t see our expenditure as offering good value for money, but maybe the above 5 will get better under a different manager.