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249 years they have had to stand on their own feet properly - perhaps we should re-colonise them.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Let’s see if Trump is as gracious in his apologies for using it as Biden was when it was pointed out to him!

Assuming he does apologise of course. More likely he will deny, via his constantly lying Press Secretary, that it was ever said.
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Probably not; it's not his usual MO but the word itself is widely used in many countries.

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DanH said:
I’m sure the ‘Jew hate’ labellers will be quick to condemn.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940936833531097462
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Nothing wrong with the term. It describes a kind of person, usually banker, Shakespeare wrote him as Jewish, but these people are found in every group.

On the right we are less sensitive than you snowflakes on the left.

Of course there will always be those with agendas that want to pretend that words have underlying insidious meanings and are so dangerous.....it's mostly ridiculous.

The idea that Trump is anti semitic is hilarious.

He just comes from an era where people weren't such tarts over language.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Nothing wrong with the term. It describes a kind of person, usually banker, Shakespeare wrote him as Jewish, but these people are found in every group.

On the right we are less sensitive than you snowflakes on the left.

Of course there will always be those with agendas that want to pretend that words have underlying insidious meanings and are so dangerous.....it's mostly ridiculous.

The idea that Trump is anti semitic is hilarious.

He just comes from an era where people weren't such tarts over language.
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Stirlingsays said:
Nothing wrong with the term. It describes a kind of person, usually banker, Shakespeare wrote him as Jewish, but these people are found in every group.

On the right we are less sensitive than you snowflakes on the left.

Of course there will always be those with agendas that want to pretend that words have underlying insidious meanings and are so dangerous.....it's mostly ridiculous.

The idea that Trump is anti semitic is hilarious.

He just comes from an era where people weren't such tarts over language.
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This forum would suggest the exact opposite.

Those that throw around ‘Jew hater’ accusations like confetti on the other thread are still very quiet.
 
DanH said:
This forum would suggest the exact opposite.
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That's just what you want to believe, you grasp at anything that suggests offence and then pretend it's an equivalence to the left.

Yet you're allowed on here, as you should be, despite having slagged off the site and its contributors and yet if I went over to the bbs and commented criticising in a similar manner as someone on the right...oh wait, I can't because I'm banned....

Snowflakes.

Everyone takes offence at some level.....The left...or to be fair, progressives just take offence very easily and hence deserve the term in comparison to us.

DanH said:
Those that throw around ‘Jew hater’ accusations like confetti on the other thread are still very quiet.
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Well personally I don't think disagreeing with Israel on Gaza makes someone a Jew hater.

Plenty of Jews are highly critical themselves.

I'd say there are a lot of people who want a two state solution or/and Palestinians to be treated the same as the Jews themselves, and for most Jews that simply isn't going to fly now as they view it as existential.....and it is, for both tribes/sides.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Nothing wrong with the term. It describes a kind of person, usually banker, Shakespeare wrote him as Jewish, but these people are found in every group.

On the right we are less sensitive than you snowflakes on the left.

Of course there will always be those with agendas that want to pretend that words have underlying insidious meanings and are so dangerous.....it's mostly ridiculous.

The idea that Trump is anti semitic is hilarious.

He just comes from an era where people weren't such tarts over language.
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Shakespeare wrote him as Jewish for the very good reason that at that time money lenders were Jewish. Not through choice but because they were excluded from many areas of life and were persecuted everywhere. Money lending was often the only way Jews could earn a living.

To describe someone as a Shylock today has unequivocal connotations and is definitely an anti Semitic insult. For Trump to use it so carelessly is unforgivable. He isn’t anti Semitic but that’s no excuse.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Shakespeare wrote him as Jewish for the very good reason that at that time money lenders were Jewish. Not through choice but because they were excluded from many areas of life and were persecuted everywhere. Money lending was often the only way Jews could earn a living.

To describe someone as a Shylock today has unequivocal connotations and is definitely an anti Semitic insult. For Trump to use it so carelessly is unforgivable. He isn’t anti Semitic but that’s no excuse.
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Most dictionaries define the term as 'ruthless moneylender' - no mention of being a Jew.
 
DanH said:
Jewish groups think it’s an antisemitic word.

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump's 'Shylock' comment draws outcry from Jewish groups - BBC News

Trump described some bankers as "Shylocks" at a rally. He said later he did not realise it was antisemitic.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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So what?

I've no doubt that they would also regard your views on Gaza as anti semitic, so if they think that do you agree you're anti semitic?

Again, stop the word slop, no one regards Trump as anti semitic so if he wants to use shylock to mean a dodgy banker, I doubt anyone sensible has a problem with it.
 
Stirlingsays said:
So what?

I've no doubt that they would also regard your views on Gaza as anti semitic, so if they think that do you agree you're anti semitic?

Again, stop the word slop, no one regards Trump as anti semitic so if he wants to use shylock to mean a dodgy banker, I doubt anyone sensible has a problem with it.
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I’m just highlighting the double standards at play on here (and you’re not guilty on this occasion 😘)
 
georgenorman said:
Most dictionaries define the term as 'ruthless moneylender' - no mention of being a Jew.
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The dictionaries may well be exercising caution. It’s fair to say that opinion is divided but Trump using it was very careless of him. Especially at this time.

This seems a reasonable analysis:-

www.independent.co.uk

What does Shylock mean? Trump’s antisemitic slur explained after president condemned

Here’s what Donald Trump said, what it means, and how people have reacted
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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