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steeleye20 said:
This chinese young man explains simply, accurately how his people have benefitted from 40 years of USA/China relations but not the americans, it's rare to hear the truth spelled out so refreshingly:-


"You let oligarchs feed you lies while they made you fat, poor, and addicted."​


Trillions, not billions, spent on useless wars by the USA while China's rise has
been peaceful.

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As usual any opinion that suits your narrative is the truth, very wisbech-esque.
 
HKOwen said:
This Chinese guy was educated overseas and may well not live in China, I don't know, opinion is opinion.

Basically he is trying to smugly give the finger to Americans, who knows who funds him.

The actual ties between USA are on many levels open and secret.

Whodda thunk the research that created the COVID virus was substantially funded by a US group including Fauci.
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Oh come on Owen, he is talented, intelligent, funny and the analogies he uses contain truth....However it's obvious that China wouldn't allow something like that to go viral without their hands on it.

The sudden emergence of this particular form of propaganda from China is about as subtle as a brick in the face.....But hey, where they aren't lying (and the most effective propaganda mixes in truth) it's fair enough.

Less free states use the freedoms in the west to their own ends and advantages....duh, we all know that. Hell our own western agencies pull the same crap anyway they can both abroad and internally on their own citizens.

On the US funding of COVID.....I think it's a valid area of research but the Chinese completely shut off all honest investigation of the lab leak route very deliberately. My personal opinion is that funding for new viruses is rife by all the major countries around the world because it's an obvious biological weapon. I suspect most of it is 'off the books'. Most of it would be done in friendly countries that allow them to hide this more easily....Ukraine for example.

However, that gives you an obvious logical flaw with the US using China for this....As China is obviously their adversary. However, it's been proven that the US were actually funding this lab and the very fact that Fauci has been given a pardon covering all the time he could be looked into.....well, just how obvious does it need to be.

Anyone actually interested in truth and justice wants those two virtues to win out here in investigation - but who benefits always wins out......The implications if what is suspected turns out to even be a tenth true then it's debatable if it would ever come out......What could be destroyed evidence wise has already long since been destroyed....as I suspect it is routinely done whether it's Kennedy for example or anything that's considered 'hot' and criminal by themselves.....What we get is milk toast and indirect.
 
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steeleye20 said:
Even a papal funeral must have its man baby, it seems.


Big girl's blouse Trump and they actually voted for him.

That it has come to this.

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You literally had Biden running the west while in serious cognitive decline and deemed not fit to answer for his actions from his own agency investigation.....oh and sniffing kids.

But Trump's an arse....oh well that's beyond the pale.

Gives us a break!
 
Strange that they will make such a fuss over Trump wearing a blue suit with a black tie, but totally ignore the inappropriately dressed Zelenski, who turns up wearing some weird-looking woollen jacket and trainers

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becky said:
Strange that they will make such a fuss over Trump wearing a blue suit with a black tie, but totally ignore the inappropriately dressed Zelenski, who turns up wearing some weird-looking woollen jacket and trainers

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Yep, we all know the convention is to wear dark, it doesn't have to be uniform black, though that's the tradition, however it just has to not dramatically stand out.

It's just the usual clowns.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Oh come on Owen, the chink is talented, intelligent, funny and the analogies he uses contain truth....However it's obvious that China wouldn't allow something like that to go viral without their hands on it.

The sudden emergence of this particular form of propaganda from China is about as subtle as a brick in the face.....But hey, where they aren't lying (and the most effective propaganda mixes in truth) it's fair enough.

Less free states use the freedoms in the west to their own ends and advantages....duh, we all know that. Hell our own western agencies pull the same crap anyway they can both abroad and internally on their own citizens.

On the US funding of COVID.....I think it's a valid area of research but the Chinese completely shut off all honest investigation of the lab leak route very deliberately. My personal opinion is that funding for new viruses is rife by all the major countries around the world because it's an obvious biological weapon. I suspect most of it is 'off the books'. Most of it would be done in friendly countries that allow them to hide this more easily....Ukraine for example.

However, that gives you an obvious logical flaw with the US using China for this....As China is obviously their adversary. However, it's been proven that the US were actually funding this lab and the very fact that Fauci has been given a pardon covering all the time he could be looked into.....well, just how obvious does it need to be.

Anyone actually interested in truth and justice wants those two virtues to win out here in investigation - but who benefits always wins out......The implications if what is suspected turns out to even be a tenth true then it's debatable if it would ever come out......What could be destroyed evidence wise has already long since been destroyed....as I suspect it is routinely done whether it's Kennedy for example or anything that's considered 'hot' and criminal by themselves.....What we get is milk toast and indirect.
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What is really obvious is that there was a second Trump administration about to happen. One that had already flagged retribution for all and any who had opposed the first. Fauci being right in the firing line and a convenient scape goat for Trump’s own failings.

Protecting people from a vicious bully boy was a service to truth and justice. Nothing else.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yep, we all know the convention is to wear dark, it doesn't have to be uniform black, though that's the tradition, however it just has to not dramatically stand out.

It's just the usual clowns.
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I thought Trump was pictured wearing a MAGA cap at one point. Now that would be disrespectful!

Actually wearing black might be the convention in many countries but in some others white is normal.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
What is really obvious is that there was a second Trump administration about to happen. One that had already flagged retribution for all and any who had opposed the first.
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That's their motivation sure.

Wisbech Eagle said:
Fauci being right in the firing line and a convenient scape goat for Trump’s own failings.
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What matters is does he deserve to be.....It's already known that he lied to Congress and if he hasn't done anything wrong then why the pardon spreading over many years.

If there is nothing to hide no pardon is required. Trump didn't pardon himself in 2020 did he.

You yourself were on this platform giving judiciary praise, saying biases don't happen and that the establishment shouldn't be doubted out of hand.

Wisbech Eagle said:
Protecting people from a vicious bully boy was a service to truth and justice. Nothing else.
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Let's just say that I don't think any of the people you spend your time protecting on here give a monkey's about truth and justice over and above what suits their aims.

I don't even think Trump cares that much....lies all the time, same as them.....but if some are held to account for the incredible amounts of damage and disloyalty that they did to a democratically elected president both in and out of power.....Let's just say I won't be complaining.

If you are being paid by taxpayers to carry out the orders of a democracally elected president and instead you are working against him, then you should be held to account.....the system doesn't work otherwise.

If you object to that president then you should resign....Plenty do and that's honourable.

Those that don't, take's the King's shilling but choose to be an inside iconoclast. deserve what's coming to them....intelligence agencies to a pen pusher.
 
And Tbh. I'm not a fan of wearing black to a funeral unless it's tragic circumstances or young person.

We should celebrate a persons life and accomplishments like the pope Francis.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Oh come on Owen, the chink is talented, intelligent, funny and the analogies he uses contain truth....However it's obvious that China wouldn't allow something like that to go viral without their hands on it.

The sudden emergence of this particular form of propaganda from China is about as subtle as a brick in the face.....But hey, where they aren't lying (and the most effective propaganda mixes in truth) it's fair enough.

Less free states use the freedoms in the west to their own ends and advantages....duh, we all know that. Hell our own western agencies pull the same crap anyway they can both abroad and internally on their own citizens.

On the US funding of COVID.....I think it's a valid area of research but the Chinese completely shut off all honest investigation of the lab leak route very deliberately. My personal opinion is that funding for new viruses is rife by all the major countries around the world because it's an obvious biological weapon. I suspect most of it is 'off the books'. Most of it would be done in friendly countries that allow them to hide this more easily....Ukraine for example.

However, that gives you an obvious logical flaw with the US using China for this....As China is obviously their adversary. However, it's been proven that the US were actually funding this lab and the very fact that Fauci has been given a pardon covering all the time he could be looked into.....well, just how obvious does it need to be.

Anyone actually interested in truth and justice wants those two virtues to win out here in investigation - but who benefits always wins out......The implications if what is suspected turns out to even be a tenth true then it's debatable if it would ever come out......What could be destroyed evidence wise has already long since been destroyed....as I suspect it is routinely done whether it's Kennedy for example or anything that's considered 'hot' and criminal by themselves.....What we get is milk toast and indirect.
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The usual nonsense from the jew hating Steeleye20 is what prompted my reply
 
Stirlingsays said:
That's their motivation sure.



What matters is does he deserve to be.....It's already known that he lied to Congress and if he hasn't done anything wrong then why the pardon spreading over many years.

If there is nothing to hide no pardon is required. Trump didn't pardon himself in 2020 did he.

You yourself were on this platform giving judiciary praise, saying biases don't happen and that the establishment shouldn't be doubted out of hand.



Let's just say that I don't think any of the people you spend your time protecting on here give a monkey's about truth and justice over and above what suits their aims.

I don't even think Trump cares that much....lies all the time, same as them.....but if some are held to account for the incredible amounts of damage and disloyalty that they did to a democratically elected president both in and out of power.....Let's just say I won't be complaining.

If you are being paid by taxpayers to carry out the orders of a democracally elected president and instead you are working against him, then you should be held to account.....the system doesn't work otherwise.

If you object to that president then you should resign....Plenty do and that's honourable.

Those that don't, take's the King's shilling but choose to be an inside iconoclast. deserve what's coming to them....intelligence agencies to a pen pusher.
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Many that Trump and his band of sycophants are targeting were trying to do their duty. Which is NOT to follow the orders of a democratically elected President. Trump might think it is, but he is not a king. He is one part of a system that separates power. Their duty is to the constitution and the rule of law. When faced with lawlessness honourable people stay and try to change things. They don’t run away. If they get fired they continue to speak truth to power from outside the circle.
 
becky said:
Strange that they will make such a fuss over Trump wearing a blue suit with a black tie, but totally ignore the inappropriately dressed Zelenski, who turns up wearing some weird-looking woollen jacket and trainers
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In any relationship, when EVERYTHING you do is wrong, then the relationship is over. That's Trump & The Mass-Media.

Accountability. Trump is accountable for every document he signs. As are you and i in our jobs. Who gives any type of accountability to an out-of-control Media ? UK, Ireland, US everywhere ? who checks the fact-checkers ?
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
In any relationship, when EVERYTHING you do is wrong, then the relationship is over. That's Trump & The Mass-Media.

Accountability. Trump is accountable for every document he signs. As are you and i in our jobs. Who gives any type of accountability to an out-of-control Media ? UK, Ireland, US everywhere ? who checks the fact-checkers ?
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We all do!

We read their analyses. We evaluate the evidence they present. We determine whether their conclusions are valid or not. We build either trust or distrust.

When an analysis involves someone like Trump we balance that against the trust, or distrust, that they have established with us. Then we decide where the truth is.

If this was the Cup semi final then the fact checkers team are Palace and the Trump team are Villa. It’s no contest!

By the way Trump isn’t accountable. The SC ruling absolved him of accountability. He is also ignoring Court decisions.

The broadcasters in the USA are not out of control. They are regulated by the Federal Communications Commission. Therein lies a little known but very great danger. Trump has appointed his own man to lead it and, of course, they are now politicising what they do and attacking coverage that is critical of Trump. Instead of protecting free speech they are trying to suppress it.
 
Quite funny that Trump is criticised for wearing blue when many of the men there were in red dresses.
 
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