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eaglesdare said:
Trump has consistently pushed for de-escalation and peace for both wars even before he got back into office.
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We know he lies. We know he doesn’t actually have a strategy but just says what suits the moment and his best interests.

If he really wanted to push, and not just pay lip service for effect, he would criticise Russia for both starting and continuing the war. Not tell lies about Ukraine starting it.
 
cryrst said:
Oh but in the above post it’s about the past government !!! If it’s about now and not a different time how does that work ?
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The first was addressed to a comment from someone observing the UK from France and suggesting that the current government is demonstrating general incompetence. I pointed out it’s early to do that and then compared it to the previous few governments where there has been sufficient time for an analysis.

The second relates to a single issue, stopping the war in Ukraine.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Based on the comments you have made over the years your ability to see anything is badly impaired. Do they have Specsavers in France? You could benefit from a visit.

This government has been in office for less than a year. All the previous governments for the previous 14 years were either Tory or Tory led. During which time we managed to commit political suicide by agreeing to hold a referendum that led to us leaving the EU. The most stupid action by any government in my lifetime.

Nothing this government has done comes close to that in any incompetence comparisons.
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Here you go again with the personal insults, just can't help yourself can you, all the while spouting your nonsense on here?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
The first was addressed to a comment from someone observing the UK from France and suggesting that the current government is demonstrating general incompetence. I pointed out it’s early to do that and then compared it to the previous few governments where there has been sufficient time for an analysis.

The second relates to a single issue, stopping the war in Ukraine.
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But the current hmg are incompetent.
Comparing them to the incompetence of the last one is not isolating the issue is it ?
 
eaglesdare said:
Trump has consistently pushed for de-escalation and peace for both wars even before he got back into office.
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Yes of course he has and his solution is for Ukraine to accept Putin’s term. Which amount to surrender.

There are none so blind as those who won’t see. I’d like to ask the Trumpers on here, what does he have to do to lose your support?
 
DanH said:
That’s not what was said, was it? It was said that he was an asset, which when he parrots their propaganda and positions he unquestionably is.

Russia couldn’t be any happier with him if they were filling his pockets with Rubles and pulling his strings.
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No, that isn't true.

It doesn't matter what is who's 'propaganda', what matters is what is true.....But the problem with this whole war is that....and I'm ashamed to say it.....Very little that is honest and true has been on our side.

All that matters is the truth, unless you are comfortable looking in the mirror and living with lies.
 
You have to admire the gall of people who support the left and preferred Starmer to the alternatives on offer telling us that because Trump often uses half truths and sometimes lies that we should be outraged.

Every single politician in the public eye today has been lying....some more than others....it comes down to whether you can stomach the particular brand of lies.

Starmer himself lies about pretty much everything....doesn't care whether he's lying to the left or lying to the right.

But apparently if Trump lies, that's meant to be beyond the pale.
 
On Ukraine Trump will do what is in the best geopolitical interests of America from the perspective of the right.

One ideological difference between the American left and right (even though these are imperfect labels) is that one views Russia as its focus as its worst enemy and the other views China as the worst.

I align with the American right on this.....However, not to the extent that actual wars should be pursued.....The wars the left supported need to end, in my view all of them. If some want to portray that as surrender, that's fine, I note none of them left for the trenches so it's all bluster. The Ukraine war was stupid from the beginning.

On China, I'm more along the lines of realising that China is always going to cheat and steal when it comes to trade and that economics with them has to relate to that.
 
Stirlingsays said:
No, that isn't true.

It doesn't matter what is who's 'propaganda', what matters is what is true.....But the problem with this whole war is that....and I'm ashamed to say it.....Very little that is honest and true has been on our side.

All that matters is the truth, unless you are comfortable looking in the mirror and living with lies.
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Agreed - but you online right seem to get your 'truth' from very different places to everyone else.
 
DanH said:
Agreed - but you online right seem to get your 'truth' from very different places to everyone else.
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I think you're emotionally investing in stereotypes being pushed by the left and the establishment in general.

All the establishment cares about....and that's independent of what type of establishment it is....is holding onto power. It doesn't care about principles....maybe it never did. I look at their worldview and I look at what it produces.

As for myself, I probably spend more time on here than anywhere else. I've looked at your links and it's obvious that this, 'online right' description seems to have very little self reflection as to its opposite.
 
Eaglehamster said:
Yes of course he has and his solution is for Ukraine to accept Putin’s term. Which amount to surrender.

There are none so blind as those who won’t see. I’d like to ask the Trumpers on here, what does he have to do to lose your support?
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Trump has talked about negotiations to stop the fighting, he has urged both sides to avoid endless war. And has done the same for Middle East peace. No one wants Ukraine to lose, but diplomacy doesn’t always mean surrender it can mean finding leverage to save lives.
 
eaglesdare said:
Trump has talked about negotiations to stop the fighting, he has urged both sides to avoid endless war. And has done the same for Middle East peace. No one wants Ukraine to lose, but diplomacy doesn’t always mean surrender it can mean finding leverage to save lives.
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Personally I think Ukraine lost the moment they got in bed with the US state department and the neocons. Border countries are more sensible staying out of power games.....but brown envelopes work in corrupt countries and the US had larger ones.

Wars involving democracies are always on a timer and Ukraine had three years to 'win' that war.....anyone with brain cells saw that was unrealistic if Russia committed. It's the usual betting it all on red, rather than pursuing conservative foreign policy. To 'win', Ukraine require a wider war and millions more need to die (the collective real death figures are probably over a million) with nukes hanging over the result.....No thanks.

Biden/Johnson and the media destroyed the obvious off ramp in 2022.
 
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