US Politics

[Teddy Eagle]

Of course I defend the police as I would anyone being criticised when all the facts may not be known. That applies here just as much to this incident as it does to uninformed criticism of Judgements given by Judges who are in full possession of the facts.

It’s a big problem of the internet age. There’s much more misinformation than information floating about, often promoted by those with distasteful political agendas and media outlets trying to keep up.

I am simply stating the facts. Not facts manipulated to suit any agenda. I accept that the police may, in the end, deserve the criticism but until the investigation is complete we must reserve judgement.

In what way do you think waiting until everything is known is wrong?

How much more needs to be known other than that no charges were brought and the Chief Constable has said they could have taken a different approach.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Whether by accident or design there is genuinely no other way of looking at him as anything other than a full on Russian asset now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911815872890462298

Apparently if you don't agree with how Europe/Biden conducted this war you're a Russian asset.

This crap has been answered so many times before it's a joke.

Being against conducting the Iraqi war, didn't make people an Iraqi asset did it......Not agreeing with overthrowing the Gaddiafi regime didn't mean we were a Gaddafi asset.

This is Bush's old, 'you're either with us or against us'.

Clown show analysis.

 

[Eaglehamster]

In to what exactly? Just looking after your health Dan

There is no question that Trump is a Putin asset. What else could he have done to make it more obvious? I have no idea if he’s on Putin’s payroll, but he’s unquestionably an asset.

 

[eaglesdare]

There is no question that Trump is a Putin asset. What else could he have done to make it more obvious? I have no idea if he’s on Putin’s payroll, but he’s unquestionably an asset.

There is no clear evidence like financial ties or orders that suggest Trump is working for Putin.

 

[Spiderman]

I can see just as much as you do. The difference is only that I acknowledge that may not be all that’s involved and you don’t.

Without going into too much detail I spent 3 years on a secondment, to a department that dealt specifically with complaints against the Police. I know this may be difficult for you but I probably have a greater knowledge of the inner workings of the Police than you. All I will say is that for the “higher ups” to acknowledge that there were failings in the way this was handled shows they were wrong. So, no, I do not acknowledge any else was involved other than what is known about the couple and their “crime”

 

[georgenorman]

The standard response of the squirters of squid ink on the left when they seek to cover up crimes and near-crimes, perpetrated by those they approve of, is to say that not all the facts are known and don't rush to judgement. When said crimes, near-crimes and, often no crimes at all are carried out by those they disapprove of, then they announce their guilt immediately. Terrorist attacks, mass rape of children, police and government covers ups - 'we must wait for all the facts'. Silently praying, gay-cakes, ill-advised 'X' posts, anything at all that Trump does, anything that Farage says, 'lock them up'.

 

[the silurian]

Careful, your prejudices are showing.

No government can interfere with the law. They can change it but must do so under the glare of public scrutiny.

No prejudice here old man, I live in France and can see from the outside just how bad the UK is becoming under this bunch of lying incompetents, even if you cant or wont see it!!

 

[DanH]

Apparently if you don't agree with how Europe/Biden conducted this war you're a Russian asset.

This crap has been answered so many times before it's a joke.

Being against conducting the Iraqi war, didn't make people an Iraqi asset did it......Not agreeing with overthrowing the Gaddiafi regime didn't mean we were a Gaddafi asset.

This is Bush's old, 'you're either with us or against us'.

Clown show analysis.

But he wasn’t talking about how it’s been ‘conducted’ was he? He clearly stated that Ukraine ‘started’ the war.

Do you agree with that?

 

[DanH]

There is no clear evidence like financial ties or orders that suggest Trump is working for Putin.

That’s not what was said, was it? It was said that he was an asset, which when he parrots their propaganda and positions he unquestionably is.

Russia couldn’t be any happier with him if they were filling his pockets with Rubles and pulling his strings.

 

[kevlee]

There is no clear evidence like financial ties or orders that suggest Trump is working for Putin.

The general, in other words majority consensus is that Yrump is aligned with Putin, and directly supportive of Israel. He proclaimed that he would end both wars- and has failed miserably on both counts. Russia has escalated its aggression and bombing campaign without any push back at all from Trump and Israel is now in the final throes of operation ground zero, again with no public opposition from Trump.
Putin v Trump? I think we all know who will come out with what they want on that one.

 

[cryrst]

The general, in other words majority consensus is that Yrump is aligned with Putin, and directly supportive of Israel. He proclaimed that he would end both wars- and has failed miserably on both counts. Russia has escalated its aggression and bombing campaign without any push back at all from Trump and Israel is now in the final throes of operation ground zero, again with no public opposition from Trump.
Putin v Trump? I think we all know who will come out with what they want on that one.

Trump wasn’t in power when both could have been de escalated.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

How much more needs to be known other than that no charges were brought and the Chief Constable has said they could have taken a different approach.

How can we know until the investigation is complete?

We can always take a different approach. You could agree with me for a change!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

How can we know until the investigation is complete?

We can always take a different approach. You could agree with me for a change!

Yes, I could. There's an example.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Without going into too much detail I spent 3 years on a secondment, to a department that dealt specifically with complaints against the Police. I know this may be difficult for you but I probably have a greater knowledge of the inner workings of the Police than you. All I will say is that for the “higher ups” to acknowledge that there were failings in the way this was handled shows they were wrong. So, no, I do not acknowledge any else was involved other than what is known about the couple and their “crime”

Unlike many others here I will always acknowledge superior knowledge of any particular subject so don’t challenge your statement that the senior officers accept there were failings.

What I don’t accept is that we know what those failings were or why they occurred. We won’t until they have been investigated.

The known facts don’t stack up. No police operation would devote so much resource to a minor incident. So I instinctively believe there must be more to this than meets the eye but until that is known reserve judgement.

 

[eaglesdare]

The general, in other words majority consensus is that Yrump is aligned with Putin, and directly supportive of Israel. He proclaimed that he would end both wars- and has failed miserably on both counts. Russia has escalated its aggression and bombing campaign without any push back at all from Trump and Israel is now in the final throes of operation ground zero, again with no public opposition from Trump.
Putin v Trump? I think we all know who will come out with what they want on that one.

Trump has consistently pushed for de-escalation and peace for both wars even before he got back into office.

 

[eaglesdare]

That’s not what was said, was it? It was said that he was an asset, which when he parrots their propaganda and positions he unquestionably is.

Russia couldn’t be any happier with him if they were filling his pockets with Rubles and pulling his strings.

Putin said to when asked about the the elections last year that it would be good for Russia of Joe biden won.

There is no proof that Trump is an asset to Russia.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No prejudice here old man, I live in France and can see from the outside just how bad the UK is becoming under this bunch of lying incompetents, even if you cant or wont see it!!

Based on the comments you have made over the years your ability to see anything is badly impaired. Do they have Specsavers in France? You could benefit from a visit.

This government has been in office for less than a year. All the previous governments for the previous 14 years were either Tory or Tory led. During which time we managed to commit political suicide by agreeing to hold a referendum that led to us leaving the EU. The most stupid action by any government in my lifetime.

Nothing this government has done comes close to that in any incompetence comparisons.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Trump wasn’t in power when both could have been de escalated.

Irrelevant whataboutery!

The issue is about now. Not what might have been at a different time.

Trump is, knowingly or unintentionally, justifying Putin’s actions.

 

[cryrst]

Irrelevant whataboutery!

The issue is about now. Not what might have been at a different time.

Trump is, knowingly or unintentionally, justifying Putin’s actions.

Oh but in the above post it’s about the past government !!! If it’s about now and not a different time how does that work ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Unlike many others here I will always acknowledge superior knowledge of any particular subject so don’t challenge your statement that the senior officers accept there were failings.

What I don’t accept is that we know what those failings were or why they occurred. We won’t until they have been investigated.

The known facts don’t stack up. No police operation would devote so much resource to a minor incident. So I instinctively believe there must be more to this than meets the eye but until that is known reserve judgement.

Another response further to this one from Hertfordshire police?
“In relation to the police visit on 20 December, a complaint was submitted which was reviewed by our Professional Standards Department. It was deemed that the service provided by officers was appropriate.”