US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

How you people twist yourself in knots to justify your TDS.

The Iranian hierarchy is a bunch of ruthless criminals with crazy ideological beliefs and a stated aim of destroying the West. You can't negotiate with crazy. If they achieved nuclear capability, the consequences could be catastrophic.

This was a war that was always going to happen.

One day you will have to acknowledge that the only people with delusion over Trump are people like you. I am about to post a very recent interview with Jeffrey Sachs, which could as well belong here as in the thread on the Iranian war. Do watch it. It’s hard hitting and direct to the point of being brutal, but it’s also bang on accurate.

 

[eaglesdare]

The last ‘Islamic’ attack in UK was 2020 at London Bridge, with the most serious being the 7/7/2005, which of course was inspired by the 2003 Iraq invasion. This led to ISIS and several later attacks in the UK. History certainly indicates that the current action by the Narcissist sociopath leading the US government will lead to the UK becoming the target of future terrorist attacks although hopefully by staying completely out of the current carnage this can be minimised. Although to put the attacks into context if you add up the victims of terrorist attacks in the UK it will be far less than the murders committed by Shipman, West, Neilson and the Yorkshire Ripper, although of course any murder on UK soil is tragic.

I have no doubt when the truth eventually comes out this will be another WMD hoax whereby there was no actual evidence that Iran posed any imminent danger to the US or the world and certainly significantly less than Russia.

Japan and Germany were destroyed during WW2 and the germans and Japanese didint become terrorists and nor did their kids.
So you may stop making excuses for terrorists.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Trump indicates that the US will cut off all trade with Spain.

I was referring to this earlier in the thread about taking a pragmatic position on the war.....a war that I don't agree with.

Spain seems to be led by people with a student level understanding of real world politics and I wonder what this will do for them....as a black listing like this in practice extends more beyond just trade with the US.

Progressives are just emotional children who....if you put them in charge of anything....will just make emotional decisions and worsen everything.

 

[A22 Eagle]

Japan and Germany were destroyed during WW2 and the germans and Japanese didint become terrorists and nor did their kids.
So you may stop making excuses for terrorists.

This gets the award for the most bizarre and irrelevant post of the month. It’s like comparing apples with a table leg.

 

[eaglesdare]

This gets the award for the most bizarre and irrelevant post of the month. It’s like comparing apples with a table leg.

Apples don’t strap suicide bombs to themselves either. Strange coincidence...

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Trump indicates that the US will cut off all trade with Spain.

I was referring to this earlier in the thread about taking a pragmatic position on the war.....a war that I don't agree with.

Spain seems to be led by people with a student level understanding of real world politics and I wonder what this will do for them....as a black listing like this in practice extends more beyond just trade with the US.

Progressives are just emotional children who....if you put them in charge of anything....will just make emotional decisions and worsen everything.

When the most obviously emotional childlike decisions are those being made by Trump. Every day, on everything, this is a bizarre comment. Spain might need to up their NATO contributions but that doesn’t justify Trump’s silly response. We all know it’s just a toys out of his pram remark.

World leaders are increasingly saying in public what they have been saying in private for years about Trump. This will only increase now.

 

[Stirlingsays]

This kind of thing has to stop.

It's just going to make things worse.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028940895463072233

 

[A22 Eagle]

Apples don’t strap suicide bombs to themselves either. Strange coincidence...

And you won the dumbest post award for the second time. Well done you’re on a roll.

 

[eaglesdare]

And you won the dumbest post award for the second time. Well done you’re on a roll.

What exactly do you disagree with in my first post?
Or is your response just deflection and insults the moment someone challenges your point?

 

[Stirlingsays]

And you won the dumbest post award for the second time. Well done you’re on a roll.

You deciding on dumb post awards is like putting James Corden in charge of weight watchers.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You deciding on dumb post awards is like putting James Corden in charge of weight watchers.

He is making a much better job of it than those on the right ever do here! They just regard any opinion that differs from theirs as dumb.

 

[silvertop]

Japan and Germany were destroyed during WW2 and the germans and Japanese didint become terrorists and nor did their kids.
So you may stop making excuses for terrorists.

That argument makes no sense.

Disarming Iraq's Republican Guard created ISIS. They were largely the same people before they expanded into other countries. Another disaster chalked up for the State Department.

Disarm the IRGC and do you really think they will all pick up ploughs? It will be orders of magnitude ISIS. And while they will concentrate their attack on the USA, Israel and supporting Sunni states, when hostile Iranians spit out the word "America" they often spit out "and Britain".

If this matter is not soon contained and enters a new bloodier phase that achieves some of the outcomes Israel and the USA seeks, without that basket case in the middle east it will obviously change the dynamic. However, was it all roses after the fall of Hussein? And if you think this will not spill out into mass migration and terrorism on British soil, you are deluded.

 

[eaglesdare]

That argument makes no sense.

Disarming Iraq's Republican Guard created ISIS. They were largely the same people before they expanded into other countries. Another disaster chalked up for the State Department.

Disarm the IRGC and do you really think they will all pick up ploughs? It will be orders of magnitude ISIS. And while they will concentrate their attack on the USA, Israel and supporting Sunni states, when hostile Iranians spit out the word "America" they often spit out "and Britain".

If this matter is not soon contained and enters a new bloodier phase that achieves some of the outcomes Israel and the USA seeks, without that basket case in the middle east it will obviously change the dynamic. However, was it all roses after the fall of Hussein? And if you think this will not spill out into mass migration and terrorism on British soil, you are deluded.

Japan and Germany prove defeat alone doesn't create terrorists. Ideology does and in their cases, the ideologies were replaced with something better through proper reconstruction.
So we didn't see terrorist explosions from their armies or children...or grand children.

The problem in Iraq and the fall of hussein wasn’t disarming soldiers it was a mixture of bad policy (disbanding the army overnight) plus ideology filling the vacuum. That's what birthed the insurgency and ISIS.

So again my point is that one should stop excusing terrorism by blaming just defeat. Idealogy and bad policy creates it.

Oh I fully expect it to "spill out into mass migration and terrorism on British soil" as you said. I never said it wouldn't. Because of the ideology and most likely bad policy after it is over.

Just my opinion at the end of the day 🤪

 

[Common Sense Club]

He is making a much better job of it than those on the right ever do here! They just regard any opinion that differs from theirs as dumb.

Wisbech, you have told us that you have young relations that wish to self identify in a certain way, and I now know where they have inherited that from; you are obviously self-identifying as somebody with 'central views' whilst being clearly of a liberal persuasion.

 

[silvertop]

Japan and Germany prove defeat alone doesn't create terrorists. Ideology does and in their cases, the ideologies were replaced with something better through proper reconstruction.
So we didn't see terrorist explosions from their armies or children...or grand children.

The problem in Iraq and the fall of hussein wasn’t disarming soldiers it was a mixture of bad policy (disbanding the army overnight) plus ideology filling the vacuum. That's what birthed the insurgency and ISIS.

So again my point is that one should stop excusing terrorism by blaming just defeat. Idealogy and bad policy creates it.

Oh I fully expect it to "spill out into mass migration and terrorism on British soil" as you said. I never said it wouldn't. Because of the ideology and most likely bad policy after it is over.

Just my opinion at the end of the day 🤪

We agree on very little but on this it is hard not to.

It is not your opinion in the sense there are other options. It is night following day.

End the bombing now and call it a victory.

 

[Stirlingsays]

He is making a much better job of it than those on the right ever do here! They just regard any opinion that differs from theirs as dumb.

Whatever you say corny.

 

[Stirlingsays]

We agree on very little but on this it is hard not to.

It is not your opinion in the sense there are other options. It is night following day.

End the bombing now and call it a victory.

I think he miscalculated.

To get this done he has to install a puppet, which means troops on the ground.

Any other choice just leads to even his own side regarding it as a terrible decision.

If he bombs and then leaves it, he's just spent a load of money for nothing and installed a more radical leader.....who no doubt will regard a nuke as existential.

If they want to avoid that they have to install a puppet and maintain it.

Bad, bad decision.

I know It sounds fantastical but looking forward I can see Israel nuking Iran.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

If Hitler was alive today and Trump decided to take him out, the looney lefties would be out protesting. 🤷‍♂️

That's interesting, because the left were generally pacifistic during the build up of German military power in the '30s owing to the hangover from WW1. It was only when things took a darker turn that many became more supportive of a stronger stance toward Hitler.

I suppose you could draw a parallel with that and Iraq with the current crowd of lefties.

 

[silvertop]

That's interesting, because the left were generally pacifistic during the build up of German military power in the '30s owing to the hangover from WW1. It was only when things took a darker turn that many became more supportive of a stronger stance toward Hitler.

I suppose you could draw a parallel with that and Iraq with the current crowd of lefties.

There was powerful opposition from right and left over Iraq; and there is even more powerful opposition from right and left over the current engagement.

A waste of money and an almost certainly worse change in the dynamic that will hurt innocent people (lefty) and economies (righty).

Iran has been reducing in its radical lunacy for years but the West are not happy with the glacial pace. It will be sufficiently diluted in a generation to be just another "difficult" trading partner; but that is too long for this 4-year term, legacy-craving US president.

Iran was never likely to get the Bomb and our intelligence and military would have destroyed their attempt to secure it. Iran was a problem best contained and changed internally through promoting slow internal dissent.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

There was powerful opposition from right and left over Iraq; and there is even more powerful opposition from right and left over the current engagement.

A waste of money and an almost certainly worse change in the dynamic that will hurt innocent people (lefty) and economies (righty).

Iran has been reducing in its radical lunacy for years but the West are not happy with the glacial pace. It will be sufficiently diluted in a generation to be just another "difficult" trading partner; but that is too long for this 4-year term, legacy-craving US president.

Iran was never likely to get the Bomb and our intelligence and military would have destroyed their attempt to secure it. Iran was a problem best contained and changed internally through promoting slow internal dissent.

So your solution to containing Iran is to periodically attack it's nuclear development forever?
And let's not forget that with no action, they would most certainly develop the bomb.

I think you are clutching at straws. No one sensible wants war, but if history has taught us anything, it is that playing the pacifist will not save you from those who aren't sensible.