US Politics

Frenchaigle said:
Obamas immigration policy is well documented and this dude had some serious corruption charges conveniently shelved .

His methods under Obama were crude and some would say heartless particularly the separating kids policy .

The tactics now are way over the top .

I also get the feeling this is being engineered with the mid terms coming up ,with current polling Republicans will lose the house and there’s talk of losing the senate ,however that remains unlikely .
As Trump is such a gracious loser he could well call martial law .

The USA should just call another amnesty,give citizenship to illegals .

The vast majority are working ,and don’t commit crime ( too scared of being deported )
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beak said:
A very interesting post well done,so Obama with the same functionary managed to remove far more people without the ballyhoo,fuss rioting and uproar and deaths that Trump has caused unnecessarily. It ain't what you do its the way that you do it that's what gets results (Bananarama).
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Perhaps because it was Obama and tve media weren’t making it such as an issue! Remember Trump bad
 
Frenchaigle said:
Obamas immigration policy is well documented and this dude had some serious corruption charges conveniently shelved .

His methods under Obama were crude and some would say heartless particularly the separating kids policy .

The tactics now are way over the top .

I also get the feeling this is being engineered with the mid terms coming up ,with current polling Republicans will lose the house and there’s talk of losing the senate ,however that remains unlikely .
As Trump is such a gracious loser he could well call martial law .

The USA should just call another amnesty,give citizenship to illegals .

The vast majority are working ,and don’t commit crime ( too scared of being deported )
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Worthy of an award though! Suddenly turned from award winning breaking up families man to a Nazi. 🤔 Didn’t hear of any violent protests when he was carrying out Obamas orders
 
eaglesdare said:
Seen a few angles now. Here's some thoughts:

- Interfering in law enforcement operations: ✅
- Carrying a weapon (gun) to a protest: ✅
- Not following law enforcement instructions: ✅
- Resisting arrest: ✅
- Liberals screaming and making a tense situation: ✅

Looks like an officer withdrew the suspects gun without his colleagues knowing and during the resisting arrest the suspect went to draw his gun (which he didn't have) and the other officers shot him.

Another tragic event that could have easily been avoided: ✅
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Here’s an idea: don’t interfere when the authorities are trying to remove people who shouldn’t be in the country. Don’t get involved…unless the illegal immigrant is your hairdresser, or mows your lawn, or babysits, or delivers your groceries etc. (in which case you may be the magnet for such things).
 
Spiderman said:
Worthy of an award though! Suddenly turned from award winning breaking up families man to a Nazi. 🤔 Didn’t hear of any violent protests when he was carrying out Obamas orders
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Ice weren’t behaving like they are now .

They didn’t have absolute immunity
Or wear masks

This guy is not suddenly a Nazi ,Obama was 10/12 years ago .

These Ice look like some paramilitary death squad .

Absolute immunity! Come on ,seriously ,in a democracy ?
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Here’s an idea (Doh!) Why doesn’t USA ban the rights to carry firearms? Just arrest anyone that breaks that law. I’m bloody sure deaths by shootings would drop dramatically. Okay, I know that law won’t happen but my goodness how stupid are Americans to not realise that’s why there are so many deaths by shootings?
 
Common Sense Club said:
Here’s an idea: don’t interfere when the authorities are trying to remove people who shouldn’t be in the country. Don’t get involved…unless the illegal immigrant is your hairdresser, or mows your lawn, or babysits, or delivers your groceries etc. (in which case you may be the magnet for such things).
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Three and five year old toddlers .
 
In times like this the country needs a President who will de escalate the situation .

With Trump it will not happen ,it’s quite the opposite ..and it’s on purpose .
 
DanH said:
Then in that case DHS officers will have no problem letting the local state police investigate it fully then.
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There is already a full investigation underway. Who looks at what and how is a matter for the US authorities.

Going back to your original point, who has stated that simply turning up to a demonstration armed, with no other factors involved whatsoever, makes them ‘fair game’ to be shot by US law enforcement?
 
beak said:
i've had bigger fights with my sister,i never got murdered for it.
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Were you armed with a loaded gun at the time?
Were you reaching for it at the time?
Were you struggling violently with law enforcement officers at the time?
Were you resisting arrest at the time?
Were you grappling with another officers firearm at the time?
 
Frenchaigle said:
As well as protecting yourself from crime the 2 nd amendment allows you to bare arms to protect yourself from your government.
Constitutionaly this person has a right to have a gun on him .Assuming he has a license.
Video shows him holding a camera and using his other hand to hold off a woman or help her following her being violently pushed .
Therefore one could assume he has a gun in a holster .
He was murdered.
USA is a tinderbox.
Proud boys all tooled up .
A nurse at a Veterans hospital all tooled up .
Recipe for disaster .
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Lots of assumptions and sweeping statements from another armchair expert.

Have you ever been a member of law enforcement?
Have you ever policed a demonstration?
Have you ever been authorised to carry a firearm in such a situation?
Have you ever been struggling with an armed subject who may shoot & kill you?

Why not let the investigation establish the facts of what happened, instead of making a host of assumptions, sweeping statements and accusations?
 
Phil’s Barber said:
Were you armed with a loaded gun at the time?
Were you reaching for it at the time?
Were you struggling violently with law enforcement officers at the time?
Were you resisting arrest at the time?
Were you grappling with another officers firearm at the time?
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A ridiculous post,none of those are an excuse for murder.
 
Phil’s Barber said:
There is already a full investigation underway. Who looks at what and how is a matter for the US authorities.

Going back to your original point, who has stated that simply turning up to a demonstration armed, with no other factors involved whatsoever, makes them ‘fair game’ to be shot by US law enforcement?
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The one where Minnesota state have already had to file a case because DHS officials were removing evidence and preventing state officials from accessing the crime scene?

 
Common Sense Club said:
Here’s an idea: don’t interfere when the authorities are trying to remove people who shouldn’t be in the country. Don’t get involved…unless the illegal immigrant is your hairdresser, or mows your lawn, or babysits, or delivers your groceries etc. (in which case you may be the magnet for such things).
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You mean don’t defend democracy against authoritarianism?

The right to peacefully protest is protected by the First Amendment in the USA.
 
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