US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

Ha ha ha! So the fact that the "group" that he doesn't represent are currently being fired from their jobs for cheering this assassination.

Here you are saying "one individual does not, and cannot, be representative of a group" and then in the same post finish with saying that the FBI chief is a dsigrace because he's representing opinions from Trump. How does that work then according to your logic?

So when your mate Bob sings about "Death to the IDF" and you don't condemn it how do you explain that against your logic about groups? Sure one IDF pilot dropping a Mk82 on a bunch of Gazans doesn't represent the IDF.

Do you not see the irony of the right trying to get people “cancelled”, or fired, for holding opinions they don’t like? They are the ones who have got so wound up about “cancel culture” and the alleged erosion of free speech!

Anyone who makes remarks intended to incite division or cause actual harm deserve to lose their job. However many are being targeted just for holding another opinion. Like this is!

Jimmy Kimmel has lost his show after pressure from the authorities. He sent condolences to Charlie Kirk’s family and has spoken about the evil of division in society. He also mocks Trump and lays a lot of the blame at his door. Trump doesn’t tolerate criticism, has called for his sacking and posted celebratory comments last night. Whilst here! That’s sick!

I didn’t say that Patel represents the views of the FBI as a group. I said, and maintain, that he is allowing his partisanship to interfere in his job, thus making the FBI approach politically compromised.

I don’t have a mate called Bob. Nor do I have the slightest interest in the political views of any pop singer, especially the current ones who I know little to nothing about other than some headlines.

Of course any individual IDF pilot following orders and doing their duty doesn’t represent the IDF. Nor do the commanders, some of whom are critical. It’s their political masters who hold the responsibility.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You don't have to answer tbh.

I get that....what I think isn't important.

Just a short answer.

It comes down to what I think is coming down the pipe and who will be on your side and who won't. I don't make enemies with people I disagree with when I know which side of the trench they would ultimately be in.

The reasons I'm not for the war in Ukraine aren't out of affection for Putin....a figure I view largely dispassionately. But I do side with Musk even though I disagree with him somewhat on transhumanism and here and there on things. I recognize a warrior when I see one and when they also happen to be a billionaire willing to side with you due to their own personal wars, I don't get sniffy.

 

[beak]

Jimmy Kimmel taken off air for MAGA comment,whilst the Americans chastise the U.K. on free speech! Clearly a don't do as I do ,do as i tell you moment.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I have long thought that the growth of social media lies at the root of the deepening of the political divide that’s been so cruelly exposed by Charlie Kirk’s murder.

This article explores that and how, and why, Trump is making it worse, when he has, as President, the opportunity to make it better.

I urge everyone to please forget who is publishing it. It contains some thought provoking ideas and explanations which, I hope, will be considered at face value and not just dismissed because it comes from an unpopular source.

The idea that there is no political motivation in the US system to improve things makes sense to me. If you make yourself stronger through ever greater division where is the incentive to heal? What is the future for a middle road? Where is the opportunity for compromise?

I have said many times that the US system is no longer fit for purpose. This article seems to confirm it:-

The US is at a dangerous crossroads after Charlie Kirk shooting

This moment has parallels with other periods of discord in US history, but it is more complicated than simply repeating them.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[georgenorman]

Jimmy Kimmel taken off air for MAGA comment,whilst the Americans chastise the U.K. on free speech! Clearly a don't do as I do ,do as i tell you moment.

I think it's great that Kimmel has been sacked - sack all the Left nutjobs and reinstate those that the Left have had sacked in the past. (I look forward to the Truro Bowls Club purges.)

 

[eaglesdare]

Jimmy Kimmel taken off air for MAGA comment,whilst the Americans chastise the U.K. on free speech! Clearly a don't do as I do ,do as i tell you moment.

He was taken off air for making jokes about Charlie kirks assassination. He also said the assassin was MAGA.

The mask is really dropping for a lot of people.

 

[beak]

He was taken off air for making jokes about Charlie kirks assassination. He also said the assassin was MAGA.

The mask is really dropping for a lot of people.

The part of free speech the right wing doesn't campaign for.

 

[beak]

I think it's great that Kimmel has been sacked - sack all the Left nutjobs and reinstate those that the Left have had sacked in the past. (I look forward to the Truro Bowls Club purges.)

Have you been there? It is a punishment in itself!😆😆😆

 

[eaglesdare]

The part of free speech the right wing doesn't campaign for.

If I walked into my office tomorrow and said I am a fan of homicide and murder. What do you think would happen? I would not have a job the next morning.

There's a big difference between the left firing people over decades old silly tweets and the the right firing people over celebrating murder and assassination.

 

[eaglesdare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968502145788809291

 

[beak]

If I walked into my office tomorrow and said I am a fan of homicide and murder. What do you think would happen? I would not have a job the next morning.

There's a big difference between the left firing people over decades old silly tweets and the the right firing people over celebrating murder and assassination.

It depends on wether you are a successful author of crime novels, i expect Mark Billingham, Janice Hallett and Richard Osman would say so very heartily.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think this is where I currently fall down on the internal war going on in the right over Charlie Kirk.

 

[Stirlingsays]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968502145788809291

Yep, the left don't have even half a leg to stand on.

Many on the right were warning about reaping what they were sowing and all you got back was either silence or ridicule about how (insert right wing thing target) deserved it.

They don't own mirrors.....zero sympathy.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

He was taken off air for making jokes about Charlie kirks assassination. He also said the assassin was MAGA.

The mask is really dropping for a lot of people.

What you, along with so many on the right, are doing is failing to distinguish between the criticism of ideas and the taking of actions.

Criticising the ideas that Charlie Kirk promoted is perfectly legitimate, both before he was shot and after. You don’t pay homage to an idea just because someone who held it has been shot. You pay homage to the loss felt by those who loved them.

You also don’t support anyone who allows their criticism to become anger so extreme that it becomes a violent action. You try to understand why it happened.

Jimmy Kimmel stuck to those principles. He condemned the shooting and the shooter but then explored what might have caused it. Kimmel mocks. It’s how he makes serious points in ways people can relate to.

Understanding why anyone could get so angry as to decide to shoot someone is important. Anger doesn’t appear from thin air. Something causes it. Stop the anger and you stop the shooting. That applies to everyone.

Showing tolerance and respect for others is the only way to achieve that. When the lack of tolerance and respect is causing the anger then the real problem begins to be seen.

The real problem is the right, and the kind of ideas held by Charlie Kirk. That’s not defending anyone without the self control needed to handle the anger they cause. It’s simply an analysis of where the root of the problem lies.

Cancelling Jimmy Kimmel for analysing why this happened just widens the divide.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yep, the left don't have even half a leg to stand on.

Many on the right were warning about reaping what they were sowing and all you got back was either silence or ridicule about how (insert right wing thing target) deserved it.

They don't own mirrors.....zero sympathy.

I suggest you take some time out to look in a mirror.

It’s the kind of intolerance and disrespect that you, and others here, openly support and promulgate that lies at the root of these problems. It’s the right who have long been sowing hatred. Now helped by the ignoramus in the White House. It needs to be reined in or things could get much worse.

 

[georgenorman]

I suggest you take some time out to look in a mirror.

It’s the kind of intolerance and disrespect that you, and others here, openly support and promulgate that lies at the root of these problems. It’s the right who have long been sowing hatred. Now helped by the ignoramus in the White House. It needs to be reined in or things could get much worse.

You mean the Left will start shooting us?

 

[eaglesdare]

What you, along with so many on the right, are doing is failing to distinguish between the criticism of ideas and the taking of actions.

Criticising the ideas that Charlie Kirk promoted is perfectly legitimate, both before he was shot and after. You don’t pay homage to an idea just because someone who held it has been shot. You pay homage to the loss felt by those who loved them.

You also don’t support anyone who allows their criticism to become anger so extreme that it becomes a violent action. You try to understand why it happened.

Jimmy Kimmel stuck to those principles. He condemned the shooting and the shooter but then explored what might have caused it. Kimmel mocks. It’s how he makes serious points in ways people can relate to.

Understanding why anyone could get so angry as to decide to shoot someone is important. Anger doesn’t appear from thin air. Something causes it. Stop the anger and you stop the shooting. That applies to everyone.

Showing tolerance and respect for others is the only way to achieve that. When the lack of tolerance and respect is causing the anger then the real problem begins to be seen.

The real problem is the right, and the kind of ideas held by Charlie Kirk. That’s not defending anyone without the self control needed to handle the anger they cause. It’s simply an analysis of where the root of the problem lies.

Cancelling Jimmy Kimmel for analysing why this happened just widens the divide.

Jimmy Kimmels mockery crossed a line by politicising a tragedy and pointing fingers without evidence.

Condemning the act while speculating on motives risks fanning flames, not understanding them.

Canceling him isn’t about silencing analysis it’s about accountability for reckless rhetoric.

The doctor found out what happens when you celebrate murder and assassination so to did the fire chief and now so has kimmel.

The left have such a disregard for human life it's actually disgusting that they can make jokes and celebrate it.

They all had their moment of silence, knee taking, rioting and burning down cities when a criminal died of a dug overdose a few years ago. But when the right right have peaceful prayers and vigils for a kind soul that did nothing but debate the looney lefties they stamp all over the flowers and celebrate his death.

You are part of this toxic ideology and you contribute to the flames in your denial of it. At the end of the day you are only gaslighting yourself.

 

[Stirlingsays]

A quick video on why Trump is coming for the universities....or at least says he is.
Though it isn't the only reason.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Jimmy Kimmels mockery crossed a line by politicising a tragedy and pointing fingers without evidence.

Condemning the act while speculating on motives risks fanning flames, not understanding them.

Canceling him isn’t about silencing analysis it’s about accountability for reckless rhetoric.

The doctor found out what happens when you celebrate murder and assassination so to did the fire chief and now so has kimmel.

The left have such a disregard for human life it's actually disgusting that they can make jokes and celebrate it.

They all had their moment of silence, knee taking, rioting and burning down cities when a criminal died of a dug overdose a few years ago. But when the right right have peaceful prayers and vigils for a kind soul that did nothing but debate the looney lefties they stamp all over the flowers and celebrate his death.

You are part of this toxic ideology and you contribute to the flames in your denial of it. At the end of the day you are only gaslighting yourself.

I must say I was pretty surprised by this.

Totally irresponsible and callous.

He should never work in the media again.

 

[NMPalace]

You mean the Left will start shooting us?

either you are being very thick or you are being ironic as both the Trump shooter and the guy who killed Charlie K were not 'left' leaning, a point conveniently being ignore by those trying to promote left and right division across the US