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[Stirlingsays]

I have to hold my hand up and admit I was wrong. I thought the shooter was going to be trans like the other shooters who tried to assassinate Trump and the one who murdered children at a church a few weeks ago.

It Turns out he had a boyfriend who was trans.

Tyler Robinson's roommate who tipped off FBI identified

Alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, was turned over by Lance Twiggs, who lived with him in a three-bedroom apartment in Saint George, Utah, Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If confirmed.....which looks likely given the widespread nature of the revelations, it would smash apart the rather unlikely claims that have been coming from the left about this being a disaffected Groyper.

It was rather annoying to have to waste my time batting back those....let's be frank....those seemingly unhinged 'blue anon' like claims the other night.

Occam's razor went completely missing.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

If confirmed.....which looks likely given the widespread nature of the revelations, it would smash apart the rather unlikely claims that have been coming from the left about this being a disaffected Groyper.

It was rather annoying to have to waste my time batting back those....let's be frank....those seemingly unhinged 'blue anon' like claims the other night.

Occam's razor went completely missing.

Maybe we need a new philosophical concept to express the opposite.
Occam's Beard: from a van Dyke to a Father Christmas or VD to FC.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You know perfectly well I meant evidence of anyone on the right celebrating the assassination of CK. There is none so his assassination celebration is a left thing.
Regarding George Floyd, there was a worldwide pouring out of emotion, MPs taking the knee and the EU holding a minutes silence… why? Do they do this for everyone killed by a Police Officer? No so why for George Floyd? CK was assassinated in an affront to free speech, where was the EUs minute silence?

Why would an idiot on the right celebrate this? So of course not. Only idiots on the left might.

What’s wrong, insulting and divisive is to describe it as a “left thing”. It isn’t. It’s an idiotic thing. Most on the left and the centre condemn it. Only idiots don’t.

George Floyd’s murder was committed in such a shocking way that highlighted an endemic problem of institutional racism. It touched off a wave of protest that united many disparate groups, united by a desire to stop it.

Let’s see how the EU decides to reflect on the challenge to free speech that CK’s murder represents. It only happened a few days ago.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Let's be real here you have cherry picked one tragic UK incident from 2016 to paint the right as inherently violent while ignoring the mountain of evidence showing lefty extremism fueling chaos in the US is straight up deflection.

Jo cox was a heartbreaking loss and no on on the right cheers violence like that like we have seen on the left celebrating the assassination / murder of Charlie Kirk.
The facts do not lie the lefts "mostly peaceful" narrative crumbled under the weight of ther own actions. In 2020 BLM and Antifa riots torched over 2,000 locations looted billions in damages and turned cities into warzones.

No I didn’t. I referenced an article showing how right wing terrorism is a major problem in the USA. Which is the subject of this thread. It makes the point that left wing actions tend to result in damage to property, whilst right wing actions kill or injure people.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

David Amiss?

Was every bit as awful. Killed by religious, not political, extremism.

 

[cryrst]

No I didn’t. I referenced an article showing how right wing terrorism is a major problem in the USA. Which is the subject of this thread. It makes the point that left wing actions tend to result in damage to property, whilst right wing actions kill or injure people.

It’s only major as it’s constantly line 1 in all lefty outlets.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes, the murder of Jo Cox was awful.

I know somewhat of some of the organisations that are deemed 'far right' and anyone who suggests that her murder was celebrated, in fact it was condemned: as it should be.

Similar to David Amess, this is one of the few areas in which I think the vast majority of people are in full agreement.

As they are in the murder of Charlie Kirk, which is the point I have been making.

To frame it as a “left” thing is to further divide when healing is needed.

 

[Spindle]

The cope from Wisbech and his type distancing "the left" from this trans loving shooter is extreme.

Next time he mentions something bad that is right wing I doubt he'll apply the same logic.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Was every bit as awful. Killed by religious, not political, extremism.

Well, not exactly.

Islam is both, it doesn't have a recognition of the separation of 'church' and state like Christianity does. There is no verse to point to unlike in the Gospel.

 

[eaglesdare]

No I didn’t. I referenced an article showing how right wing terrorism is a major problem in the USA. Which is the subject of this thread. It makes the point that left wing actions tend to result in damage to property, whilst right wing actions kill or injure people.

Charlie Kirk was assassinated during the week by the left wing actions.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Charlie Kirk was assassinated during the week by the left wing actions.

Indeed with the possibility that Robinson had co-conspirators or at least those with foreknowledge of the attack. Robinson shortly before the murder was caught on video talking on his mobile before accessing the roof.

Benny Johnson here....a well known US right wing activist claims tips from the FBI are indicating that Robinson's digital foot-print is in their hands and that Robinson was indeed left wing....and that 'online groups' are attempting to delete or destroy evidence.

 

[georgenorman]

No I didn’t. I referenced an article showing how right wing terrorism is a major problem in the USA. Which is the subject of this thread. It makes the point that left wing actions tend to result in damage to property, whilst right wing actions kill or injure people.

At a 'music' concert in Holland last night, black nutjob crooner of the Left, Pascal Robinson-Foster (aka Bob Vylan) said "Charlie Kirk, rest in peace - you piece of s***". He then dedicated a song to Kirk and said “his pronouns are now was/were.” He went on to lead the crowd in chants of “death, death to the IDF”
He also asked if there were any snipers in the room - apparently not, this time.

 

[ASCPFC]

At a 'music' concert in Holland last night, black nutjob crooner of the Left, Pascal Robinson-Foster (aka Bob Vylan) said "Charlie Kirk, rest in peace - you piece of s***". He then dedicated a song to Kirk and said “his pronouns are now was/were.” He went on to lead the crowd in chants of “death, death to the IDF”
He also asked if there were any snipers in the room - apparently not, this time.

There's never one around when you need one is there?

 

[cryrst]

There's never one around when you need one is there?

I’m sure this c*** will get his eventually.
Then the proof will out about the left when they tear up over it.

 

[ASCPFC]

I’m sure this c*** will get his eventually.
Then the proof will out about the left when they tear up over it.

A black rapper getting killed by one of his own? Sounds pretty unlikely.

 

[cryrst]

A black rapper getting killed by one of his own? Sounds pretty unlikely.

Lots of blacks are to the right !
What’s good for the goose

 

[georgenorman]

A black rapper getting killed by one of his own? Sounds pretty unlikely.

I don't think their shooting is very accurate - what with all the drugs and limbo dancing.

 

[Stirlingsays]

As they are in the murder of Charlie Kirk, which is the point I have been making.

To frame it as a “left” thing is to further divide when healing is needed.

On this I'll say this:

I don't see that happening really....any lull will be temporary in my view, for several reasons.

Regardless, the discussion over polarisation is almost a separate one.

However, I want to say this, I acknowledge that the ideology that killed Charlie Kirk is a subset of the left, not its core and while most of us have seen the disgusting videos of progressives celebrating Kirk's murder there are also videos out there.....some of them genuinely quite moving of those on the left (including progressive left) who are visibly upset over the murder and angry over those celebrating.

I think most recognise that this is beyond politics and extends to the risks of public speaking in the US and the costs of making it as safe as possible....its of note that Kirk wasn't even a politician. He had no power and was a public speaker and activist.......and his death is and will be corrosive and have a chilling effect on open air political debate.....that's inevitably going to effect both left and right....trust and polarisatrion will only worsen.

However we disagree if you think that the progressive left haven't a lesson to learn here. It looks very apparent that Robinson was very much steeped in their transgender/anti fascist idealogy and has taken their ideas and language as justification for murder.

Do I think anything real or effective can be done about that other than a lot of virtue signalling and word-play. No, I honestly don't.

The trajectory in the US and the west generally is pretty set in my view......the double down is standard and quite frankly you yourself are the object lesson in it.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Islam is both, it doesn't have a recognition of the separation of 'church' and state like Christianity does.

i disagree with you Sterling. They will happily separate Religion from State. They have already tried to separate State from Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Spanish Catholicism, Greek Orthodox, and certainly Judaism. Even the 'secular religion' gets put in its place - outside Government and away from harm.

so you see. All good. Separation of Religion from State.

 

[georgenorman]

On this I'll say this:

I don't see that happening really....any lull will be temporary in my view, for several reasons.

Regardless, the discussion over polarisation is almost a separate one.

However, I want to say this, I acknowledge that the ideology that killed Charlie Kirk is a subset of the left, not its core and while most of us have seen the disgusting videos of progressives celebrating Kirk's murder there are also videos out there.....some of them genuinely quite moving of those on the left (including progressive left) who are visibly upset over the murder and angry over those celebrating.

I think most recognise that this is beyond politics and extends to the risks of public speaking in the US and the costs of making it as safe as possible....its of note that Kirk wasn't even a politician. He had no power and was a public speaker and activist.......and his death is and will be corrosive and have a chilling effect on open air political debate.....that's inevitably going to effect both left and right....trust and polarisatrion will only worsen.

However we disagree if you think that the progressive left haven't a lesson to learn here. It looks very apparent that Robinson was very much steeped in their transgender/anti fascist idealogy and has taken their ideas and language as justification for murder.

Do I think anything real or effective can be done about that other than a lot of virtue signalling and word-play. No, I honestly don't.

The trajectory in the US and the west generally is pretty set in my view......the double down is standard and quite frankly you yourself are the object lesson in it.

I don't think a moderate Left really exists anymore. If they are genuinely upset by the assassination of Charlie they should abandon their crazed beliefs that are the root cause of it.