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[Wisbech Eagle]

Personally, this looks like a professional hit, so an escape plan is part of the equation. Maybe out of the country by now. But is it left wing, Antifa or something more country oriented? Russia? Iran? Or anybody else who want to take a pop at the US administration.

It does to me too, even if the photo of the alleged shooter doesn’t.

At least the possibility of other motives is now being acknowledged, which hopefully will help to calm down the hysteria.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I'm getting Antifa vibes.

The reward tends to suggest their leads have gone cold.

Concerning.

Fingers crossed we wake up and they have the b******.

Why?

Antifa are a very diverse loose grouping with no central organisation so whilst it could be a sympathiser it seems unlikely to have been commissioned.

I am getting foreign adversary vibes. Professional hit. Planned escape. Sow division and create chaos. Retribution for past acts. Smells more like Iran than Antifa to me.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Why?

Antifa are a very diverse loose grouping with no central organisation so whilst it could be a sympathiser it seems unlikely to have been commissioned.

I am getting foreign adversary vibes. Professional hit. Planned escape. Sow division and create chaos. Retribution for past acts. Smells more like Iran than Antifa to me.

I've seen many Antifa types look like him especially the young ones. There would have been an Antifa supporting group at that college.....I suspect it's why they know his name already and possibly related to who is helping him stay a fugitive

Regardless, it's a vibe, just as yours is and who knows where the truth lies at this point.

 

[Stirlingsays]

My thoughts on how hard the shot was are influenced by the fact that the hunting rifle had a scope on it.

Charlie Kirk wasn't moving around, he was sitting down and the shooter had four shots available, but probably saw his success and/or nerves made him flee.

I think the neck shot was deliberate and symbolic and politically motivated.

 

[Matov]

As to Charlie Kirk, RIP. Definitely one of the good guys and now a martyr. In many ways a throw back to a bygone era where civilised debate was possible and you could attempt to reason with those you opposed.

That door must now be acknowledged as being firmly closed.

 

[Stirlingsays]

As to Charlie Kirk, RIP. Definitely one of the good guys and now a martyr. In many ways a throw back to a bygone era where civilised debate was possible and you could attempt to reason with those you opposed.

That door must now be acknowledged as being firmly closed.

The US establishment doesn't want that yet.

The 'nothing ever happens' meme is a strong one.

We will see.

I note Nick Fuentes has come out with, 'turn the other cheek'.

Probably got the call.

 

[Spindle]

It does to me too, even if the photo of the alleged shooter doesn’t.

At least the possibility of other motives is now being acknowledged, which hopefully will help to calm down the hysteria.

Why on earth would you do it in such a public way if you wanted him gone? If you were some trillionaire backer wouldn't you just have him killed off air some other time?

It was there because the only way a lone killer nutter is going to know where he is in the open.

The lack of critical thinking on here is incredible

 

[Spindle]

My thoughts on how hard the shot was are influenced by the fact that the hunting rifle had a scope on it.

Charlie Kirk wasn't moving around, he was sitting down and the shooter had four shots available, but probably saw his success and/or nerves made him flee.

I think the neck shot was deliberate and symbolic and politically motivated.

I asked an American I know who does gun s***.

"Any recreational shooter could have made that shot- shooter was probably going for Charlie's chest. The "high power rifle" would send the projective at super-sonic speed and have little drop making it very accurate at that distance."

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It does to me too, even if the photo of the alleged shooter doesn’t.

At least the possibility of other motives is now being acknowledged, which hopefully will help to calm down the hysteria.

It's curious that this stricture about "hysteria" doesn't apply to criticism of Trump or his supporters whose every deed, thought and motive is not only questioned but unfailingly vilified.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

the FBI still being quite cagey with details, but they apparently have a good idea who the shooter is (edit: that lead was invalid, so they still don't have an idea who the shooter is). Nothing being released to the press , until they have to.
I have no experience of firearms, unlike Ouzo Dan, but my thoughts on the type of shot differ, as I was factoring the fear factor for someone taking a shot to kill a human for the first time. The suspect walks with what appears to be a limp in the CCTV footage, but this could equally be put down to them 5hltting themselves with nerves.
I guess the FBI must be throwing huge resources at catching the guy. Funny how it always seems to be a fluke incident that reveals the location, like "a dog walker", rather than revealing details of how the FBI search was being conducted.
I think we're all speculating based on probabilities and likelihoods based on our own experience.
If the shooter has gone to ground, it's really only a matter of time before the FBI catch them. If they've managed to put a good distance between themselves and the crime scene, that makes it trickier. I'm of the age where I still remember Nazi's from WW2 taking refuge in places like Argentina and South America was also good for Ronnie Biggs, the Great train robber.

If the shooter has a paymaster, they'll be wanting them dead too.

 

[georgenorman]

Why?

Antifa are a very diverse loose grouping with no central organisation so whilst it could be a sympathiser it seems unlikely to have been commissioned.

I am getting foreign adversary vibes. Professional hit. Planned escape. Sow division and create chaos. Retribution for past acts. Smells more like Iran than Antifa to me.

Whoever he is, he probably shares many of your views.

 

[Spindle]

The suspect walks with what appears to be a limp in the CCTV footage, but this could equally be put down to them 5hltting themselves with nerves.

You're suggesting that the shooter is limping because he s*** his pants??? 🤔 😉🤣

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You're suggesting that the shooter is limping because he s*** his pants??? 🤔 😉🤣

Well...he probably would, wouldn't he?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Nevertheless he made no major mistakes from his perspective.

Definitely planned, both execution and post.

You can't hate these people enough......I use the word hate because they would happily murder many of us as well.....and that moves beyond disliking someone.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

You're suggesting that the shooter is limping because he s*** his pants??? 🤔 😉🤣

He is limping because he has either the barrel & scope or the stock shoved down his trousers, the rest is in his back pack

 

[Ouzo Dan]

As a side note, it doesnt matter where the leftists are in the world, they hate you & want you dead, you can't debate, discuss or negotiate with them, the nearer Reform get to number 10 the more these people will react in violence.

It was either morgoth or Academic Agent, I can't quite remember who put it succinctly before Kirk's death & I paraphrase slightly, 'we can't imprison all of them' .

 

[eaglesdare]

He is limping because he has either the barrel & scope or the stock shoved down his trousers, the rest is in his back pack

I just watched the the video. To me he sprinted no problem on the rooftop but looks like a little awkward landing as then he starts limping.

Could also be the scope down his trousers or both.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

He is limping because he has either the barrel & scope or the stock shoved down his trousers, the rest is in his back pack

I really like the bizarre way I can be educated on this site, with stuff I didn't have the faintest clue about.

You have to feel it was very well planned and executed. The FBI are probably trawling CCTV footage to see how and who reccy'd the site to work out shooting position and escape routes. Or perhaps they already had a good working knowledge of the building as they worked there.
Aside from the human aspect, which i'm deliberately swerving, technically, thus far, the shooter has done everything right, for such a high profile murder.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out, because the FBI will want the shooter ASAP, but you can already see signs of them struggling. Like with the reward being offered. However, the FBI are doggedly determined, and I'm pretty sure they'll get the shooter within the fortnight. After that, the trail would really start to get very difficult to pick up.
Happy to be corrected. Any slight specks of accuracy with my posts comes from watching assassination documentaries, detective series and Day of the Jackal. 🙂

 

[PalazioVecchio]

As to Charlie Kirk, RIP. Definitely one of the good guys and now a martyr.

That door must now be acknowledged as being firmly closed.

the debating-door. Yes. There is a long tradition of the Left ( & their religious fanatic allies ) shutting down free speech. Both with violence and other anti social behaviour.

Remember the Christian preacher lady stabbed at Hyde Park Corner.

well, its scary times. When people put down the microphones, they often reach for something more hardcore. A kinda different way to win the argument.

 

[eaglesdare]

The lefts reaction to this is absolutely sickening. Teachers, politicians, ordinary people, work colleagues and even people you thought were friends. The shooting has brought down the mask on a lot of people.

I think maybe I have said earlier in the thread that you can learn alot about a person by the way they react to the death of someone.

I would imagine a lot of people on the fence know what the left really is about.

It feels like that assassination was an attack on all of us. I didint know the guy personally but watched his videos previously and I have felt a great sadness since I first heard what happened.