US Politics

ASCPFC said:
I went through research funding and found that Fauci had signed off on the funding as a director of a research organisation using the Wuhan lab. Amongst several others. But I would agree that I doubt he forensically examined any project funding. Probably his aides or whatever chief researcher/s he funds. However, alternatively, he may have been closely involved - it's impossible for us to know without the testimony of those directly involved. And something tells me the Chinese and US governments will not be telling us anything. Have you looked into what happened to doctors/ scientists/ researchers who spoke out about Wuhan? Have a look into that. I would say it looks fishy (batty) to say the least.
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I haven’t looked into it, nor am I aware of anyone “speaking out”. I thought there was a complete ban on anyone from the Wuhan lab speaking to the media and they are the only ones to really know. Surely anything else is speculation and if they are contractually restricted from public speculation then anyone breaking their contract is likely to face consequences.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I haven’t looked into it, nor am I aware of anyone “speaking out”. I thought there was a complete ban on anyone from the Wuhan lab speaking to the media and they are the only ones to really know. Surely anything else is speculation and if they are contractually restricted from public speculation then anyone breaking their contract is likely to face consequences.
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For “Contractually restricted” read life hard labour
 
Teddy Eagle said:
In a country ranked 179 out of 180 for freedom of the press?
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Try putting the suggested words into the appropriate place and see if they make any sense!

In any case the original claim involved scientists in both the US and China and my comment about the consequences of breaking a contractual obligation was intended more at the US than China, where I accept fear of reprisal is very high. I also accept I didn’t make that clear.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Try putting the suggested words into the appropriate place and see if they make any sense!

In any case the original claim involved scientists in both the US and China and my comment about the consequences of breaking a contractual obligation was intended more at the US than China, where I accept fear of reprisal is very high. I also accept I didn’t make that clear.
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Great. Except it was in answer to a post which didn't mention the US.
 
Jobs are up, and it looks like Trump is going to get better trade deals with most of the outside world.

Sure, the wealth class in Wall Street are screaming because they aren't creaming it....but they mostly backed Biden so feck them. I feel a little for those close to retiring but that's the market....which I suspect will recover reasonably quickly.

Dan and his cornish love party and indeed, the whole leftist class want Trump to fail......Even if he succeeded they would lie about it to themselves, because their whole politics is dominated by feelings more than anything else.

Trump will certainly get more investment into America and a certain amount of manufacturing jobs (though the next president would feel the benefit of that rather than him due to the time it takes to build).
 
Didn't know which topic to post this in. Obviously it's US politics, but equally the Gaza Blitz, or Lawfare.
I thought Democracy gave the right to free speech. This chap's predicament reminds me a bit of conscientious objectors to the Vietnam war. And I've used a link to the BBC, so the article might be biased and unrepresentative, something they got off social media, or that they might have made up after a few late night beers.
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Judge allows Columbia graduate Mahmoud Khalil's deportation

Mahmoud Khalil was arrested in March for his role in pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University.
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"A US judge has ruled the Trump administration can deport Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate detained last month over his role in pro-Palestinian protests.
Mr Khalil, a permanent legal US resident, has not been charged with a crime. In a letter written from the facility, he has said his "arrest was a direct consequence" of speaking out for Palestinian rights."
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Didn't know which topic to post this in. Obviously it's US politics, but equally the Gaza Blitz, or Lawfare.
I thought Democracy gave the right to free speech. This chap's predicament reminds me a bit of conscientious objectors to the Vietnam war. And I've used a link to the BBC, so the article might be biased and unrepresentative, something they got off social media, or that they might have made up after a few late night beers.
www.bbc.co.uk

Judge allows Columbia graduate Mahmoud Khalil's deportation

Mahmoud Khalil was arrested in March for his role in pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
"A US judge has ruled the Trump administration can deport Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate detained last month over his role in pro-Palestinian protests.
Mr Khalil, a permanent legal US resident, has not been charged with a crime. In a letter written from the facility, he has said his "arrest was a direct consequence" of speaking out for Palestinian rights."
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If it’s good enough for the uk to punish free speech then it’s good enough for the USA. Tbh I doubt he just waved a placard. Possibly stirring up others to cause mayhem and trouble.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
This is the US thread! I also said the original claim referred to both the US and China and that I accepted I didn’t make it clear!

Are you determined to retain your reputation for being pedantic?
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If I were that determined I'd point out that it wasn't a response to anything you'd posted but one specifically about China.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Jobs are up, and it looks like Trump is going to get better trade deals with most of the outside world.

Sure, the wealth class in Wall Street are screaming because they aren't creaming it....but they mostly backed Biden so feck them. I feel a little for those close to retiring but that's the market....which I suspect will recover reasonably quickly.

Dan and his cornish love party and indeed, the whole leftist class want Trump to fail......Even if he succeeded they would lie about it to themselves, because their whole politics is dominated by feelings more than anything else.

Trump will certainly get more investment into America and a certain amount of manufacturing jobs (though the next president would feel the benefit of that rather than him due to the time it takes to build).
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He may well get adjustments to trading arrangements at the end of all this but at what cost?

He has destroyed decades of trust which will not return at least until this inward looking regime is removed. No one will invest in anything without feeling confident they will get a return and the constant flip flopping and creation of chaos means those circumstances don’t exist. He might want manufacturing to return but it won’t happen easily or quickly until there is stability for an extended period.

Meanwhile investments will go elsewhere and new trading relationships will be build as countries look elsewhere.

No one responds well to bullies. They may need to take pragmatic actions in the short term but in the long term they avoid them.

Trump seems to think that trade needs to always be balanced for it to be fair but that’s a really naive idea. The world prospers when it does things efficiently, using the resources it has to the greatest effect. You cannot do everything everywhere. You do things where they are best done, accepting the need to protect national security.

Trump also seems to think the world needs to accept US standards and not for the US to make things that the rest of the world can accept. It won’t happen. Regulations exist for good reasons. They aren’t just non tariff barriers. Consumers have valid preferences. Gas guzzling cars may be desirable in the US where petrol is cheap and the highways broad but they’re not in Cornwall!

This has nothing at all to do with “leftish” policies. It’s just the way it is.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Jobs are up, and it looks like Trump is going to get better trade deals with most of the outside world.

Sure, the wealth class in Wall Street are screaming because they aren't creaming it....but they mostly backed Biden so feck them. I feel a little for those close to retiring but that's the market....which I suspect will recover reasonably quickly.

Dan and his cornish love party and indeed, the whole leftist class want Trump to fail......Even if he succeeded they would lie about it to themselves, because their whole politics is dominated by feelings more than anything else.

Trump will certainly get more investment into America and a certain amount of manufacturing jobs (though the next president would feel the benefit of that rather than him due to the time it takes to build).
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Even by your standards, this is deluded one-eyed nonsense. No one wants him to fail, people just want stable, sensible and reasonable leadership. What has happened so far is the total opposite and by nearly any metric you choose the chaos is pointing towards abject failure.

He may try and dine out on the jobs figures, but as per the inflation figures your desperate Trumpian bro posted the other day, his economic chaos hasn’t had time to filter into these numbers yet.

US bonds are becoming more expensive still as confidence in the US economy plummets. If he puts the US into a completely self-made recession for no reason than his own idealistic politics there will be many, many job losses and the ordinary person he laughably claims to champion suffering the most.

But no matter how much every sane and rational person sees he is failing you gullible lot would follow him off a cliff in a show of blind faith while shouting ‘winning!’
 
cryrst said:
If it’s good enough for the uk to punish free speech then it’s good enough for the USA. Tbh I doubt he just waved a placard. Possibly stirring up others to cause mayhem and trouble.
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In what way do you think the UK punishes free speech? I see none at all!

I see it protecting the rights of others by restraining hate speech, or speech which incites violence, in public. It doesn’t punish what you think, or say, in private.

The guy in the USA doesn’t appear to have done anything which would conflict with British law if done here. We respect the right to protest.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Didn't know which topic to post this in. Obviously it's US politics, but equally the Gaza Blitz, or Lawfare.
I thought Democracy gave the right to free speech. This chap's predicament reminds me a bit of conscientious objectors to the Vietnam war. And I've used a link to the BBC, so the article might be biased and unrepresentative, something they got off social media, or that they might have made up after a few late night beers.
www.bbc.co.uk

Judge allows Columbia graduate Mahmoud Khalil's deportation

Mahmoud Khalil was arrested in March for his role in pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
"A US judge has ruled the Trump administration can deport Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate detained last month over his role in pro-Palestinian protests.
Mr Khalil, a permanent legal US resident, has not been charged with a crime. In a letter written from the facility, he has said his "arrest was a direct consequence" of speaking out for Palestinian rights."
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I don't know much about this....if this guy is an American citizen then this is something I would agree with you on.

I think free speech should be a defining aspect of the west and I view America as the example....an example we use to be as well.....So if they are bending the rules that concerns me.
 
DanH said:
Even by your standards, this is deluded one-eyed nonsense. No one wants him to fail, people just want stable, sensible and reasonable leadership. What has happened so far is the total opposite and by nearly any metric you choose the chaos is pointing towards abject failure.

He may try and dine out on the jobs figures, but as per the inflation figures your desperate Trumpian bro posted the other day, his economic chaos hasn’t had time to filter into these numbers yet.

US bonds are becoming more expensive still as confidence in the US economy plummets. If he puts the US into a completely self-made recession for no reason than his own idealistic politics there will be many, many job losses and the ordinary person he laughably claims to champion suffering the most.

But no matter how much every sane and rational person sees he is failing you gullible lot would follow him off a cliff in a show of blind faith while shouting ‘winning!’
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I hear your criticisms but I don't think it's going to get worse for long as the underlying metrics are good. He is going to be getting more investment and better trade deals and personally I think it's you who can't accept that...All Trump would need to do to reassure Wall Street on stability and that'll come once these deals or non deals are settled. That will come to a head in three months.

You talk about rationality but I think you're too emotionally sold against Trump to ever see the woods for the trees.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I hear your criticisms but I don't think it's going to get worse for long as the underlying metrics are good. He is going to be getting more investment and better trade deals and personally I think it's you who can't accept that...All Trump would need to do to reassure Wall Street on stability and that'll come once these deals or non deals are settled. That will come to a head in three months.

You talk about rationality but I think you're too emotionally sold against Trump to ever see the woods for the trees.
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Sorry, what are these exactly?
 
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