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US Politics

DanH said:
We’ve done the Covid thing to death. And we know like many things you take the convenient ‘wouldn’t have done it like that’ contrarian view which conveniently gives us nothing objective to measure against. Even when you still try and bang the Sweden drum they comparatively fared worse than their nearest neighbours who took lockdown measures.

As for Trump, find me one serious businessman or economist who thinks these tariffs are a good idea.
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Not fair, my view positions are rarely in hindsight and when they are I state so. My opinion wasn't rare, it was just not promoted in the mainstream....deliberately so, just as they did the same hatchet job on the origins of the virus. However, my opinion was original state policy....hardly some left field 'contrarian view'.

If I remember properly the differences between the Nordic countries was down to population density....but again, it didn't pan out because those that were going to die, still died later.....and again, Norway and co destroyed the economy......also the post covid death rate increases have largely been ignored and excused away in the mainstream media and it's actually quite shocking.

Well, it isn't hard to find them: Peter Navarro, Jeff Ferry, Oren Cass, Stephen Schwarzman, Wilbur Ross.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Not fair, my view positions are rarely in hindsight and when they are I state so. My opinion wasn't rare, it was just not promoted in the mainstream....deliberately so, just as they did the same hatchet job on the origins of the virus. However, my opinion was original state policy....hardly some left field 'contrarian view'.

If I remember properly the differences between the Nordic countries was down to population density....but again, it didn't pan out because those that were going to die, still died later.....and again, Norway and co destroyed the economy......also the post covid death rate increases have largely been ignored and excused away in the mainstream media and it's actually quite shocking.

Well, it isn't hard to find them: Peter Navarro, Jeff Ferry, Oren Cass, Stephen Schwarzman, Wilbur Ross.
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Some Google searches on those names are interesting, but very unsurprising given your form and chosen media.
 
cryrst said:
What was the board trump held up as I couldn’t make out the countries or numbers. If it was the tariffs other countries imposed on the USA why is the other way around any different.
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I don’t know if it’s true that we charge 10% on all US imports, but we don’t charge 25% for sure on US cars and car parts. The main reason why we don’t buy American cars is because generally they are badly built gas guzzlers. It’s a bad day for the UK car and drug industries. And anyone with a pension plan should be worried because the value of it will be going through the floor.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Ha, and you weren't of course regarding them as a necessary evil.

If what Trump says is accurate that the US has the resources required to cover for most of these imports then long term what he's doing makes more sense than shipping jobs out for a slightly lower globalised price......Short term I can see it being difficult as it take time to build factories and supply lines and in some cases the trained workforce.

If America was ever going to go protectionist then this shock treatment is probably necessary as democracies don't have the luxury of multiple term policy and have to show results within a term.

He says he's had 6 trillion in investment commitments......I don't know, I'm not tribally pulled either way on it. He'll be judged on how effective it works out.
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Not by me or, I suspect, 99% of everyone outside the USA. We will judge him on the impact on all of us and that judgement will ultimately be more important for the US economy too.

Trump type economics may be currently popular with a section of naive Americans but they aren’t elsewhere. History will not be kind to Donald Trump. His name will rest in the same place as Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein as despots who caused misery for millions.
 
kevlee said:
I don’t know if it’s true that we charge 10% on all US imports, but we don’t charge 25% for sure on US cars and car parts. The main reason why we don’t buy American cars is because generally they are badly built gas guzzlers. It’s a bad day for the UK car and drug industries. And anyone with a pension plan should be worried because the value of it will be going through the floor.
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It’s not just the tariffs though that matter. It’s also the lower standards that the USA apply to their goods. My experience being in the food industry. The Americans want us to accept their products but they don’t meet our regulations, both for farming standards and the quality of ingredients. They are trying to force us to lower our standards and no doubt are doing the same with other countries.

You either make products that suit the export market (non gas guzzling cars) or you don’t sell them. Trump wants the world to run on US standards, but it doesn’t and it won’t.
 
cryrst said:
What was the board trump held up as I couldn’t make out the countries or numbers. If it was the tariffs other countries imposed on the USA why is the other way around any different.
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Because it isn’t that simple.

Some tariffs are applied to balance government subsidies and create a level playing field. Some are applied to industries to ensure their local survival if their demise would threaten a strategic national interest.

Trump is using a sledgehammer in circumstances when the skills of a surgeon with a scalpel are needed.

On top of that he is conflating other taxes, like VAT, with tariffs, in the way he is presenting things to the American people. They are going to find out the hard way.
 
DanH said:
Some Google searches on those names are interesting, but very unsurprising given your form and chosen media.
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Is Grok some kind of DR media then? I mean that is my politics sure but it wasn't what I used for those names. Regardless, considering some of the links you have thrown up here you're using 'progressive' websites....hardly Mr Centralist yourself. Anyway considering X has 611 million monthly active users perhaps the idea that any other form of politics that isn't 'establishment approved' worries you.

Maybe you have 'Adolescence' playing on loop in the background. 😉
 
kevlee said:
I don’t know if it’s true that we charge 10% on all US imports, but we don’t charge 25% for sure on US cars and car parts. The main reason why we don’t buy American cars is because generally they are badly built gas guzzlers. It’s a bad day for the UK car and drug industries. And anyone with a pension plan should be worried because the value of it will be going through the floor.
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Apparently the UK charge 10% custom charge and 20% VAT for US vehicles according to grok. Can anyone confirm?
 
Eaglehamster said:
Amusing to imagine the Trumpers' reactions on here, had these tarrifs been imposed by Biden.
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Sure, that's fair comment, however, firstly Biden did keep some of Trump's tariffs and he also spent time both criticising Britain and removing the bust of Churchill....was you on here or elsewhere criticising that? No, I highly doubt it.

Indeed, considering you have had opportunity to say what you liked about Trump and had nothing you can apply your same observation to yourself.
 
georgenorman said:
10% tariffs imposed on the UK make us more competitive than most other countries who have 20%, like the EU, or more in some cases. It is of course highly amusing to see the EU, the mother of protectionism and tariffs, moaning and groaning.
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While I hold no criticism for those outside the leftist activist class who are effected negatively by tariffs I do have some for the many lefty commentators who have just spent the last few years slagging Trump off and with every opportunity they have urging us to rejoin the EU and blank America.

They are so desperate to give up any agility and options outside the bosom of their authoritarian, group think and controlling EU overlords......A very non British attitude....and as we see here pretty short sighted.

Now that we get the lowest tariff in Trump's new system they are whining about it......Indeed, we can probably reduce this to zero before long.......These activists are like the person who cries out in pain as they hit you. These people have been online blackening our name with the American right for years.
 
Indias reaction to 27% tariffs:


I like this: "The department is also studying the opportunities that may arise due to this new development in U.S. trade policy," it said, and referred to the agreement between Trump and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in February to work on the first phase of a trade deal by autumn 2025."

This is how it should be handled. The EU are currently bitching, moaning, posturing and virtue signalling. Where they should be getting their house in order to send a delegation to the US to work out a trade deal.
 
georgenorman said:
10% tariffs imposed on the UK make us more competitive than most other countries who have 20%, like the EU, or more in some cases. It is of course highly amusing to see the EU, the mother of protectionism and tariffs, moaning and groaning.
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It makes us less competitive and the EU even less competitive than us. It whacks up the cost to suppliers, and ultimately to the consumer if passed on in full (which they will be in most low margin industries). No one wins.

Also amusing to see that protectionism and tariffs from the EU = bad. Mental protectionism and tariffs from Trump = GOOOOOOD.

The cult continues.
 
eaglesdare said:
Indias reaction to 27% tariffs:


I like this: "The department is also studying the opportunities that may arise due to this new development in U.S. trade policy," it said, and referred to the agreement between Trump and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in February to work on the first phase of a trade deal by autumn 2025."

This is how it should be handled. The EU are currently bitching, moaning, posturing and virtue signalling. Where they should be getting their house in order to send a delegation to the US to work out a trade deal.
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What's the opposite of TDS? Trump arse licking syndrome? Absolutely no critical thinking applied, just naked cheerleading.
 
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