US Owners Exploring Sale

I mean, it comes from Deloitte. The reason most clubs get themselves into a hole is from spending debt, which City haven't been doing, unlike United, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal as the main offenders in that order.

Maybe you have a situation where for City to get to that position they had to spend years and years in debt......and when I look at the ownership I'm not seeing ethical money.

Not that I think you can be successful at the top in football and have that.

It's why I don't look at football in that way.....it's a subverted sport from its working class roots.

As Harrison put it:

'I don't know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
No-one alerted you'.
 
Maybe you have a situation where for City to get to that position they had to spend years and years in debt......and when I look at the ownership I'm not seeing ethical money.

Not that I think you can be successful at the top in football and have that.

It's why I don't look at football in that way.....it's a subverted sport from its working class roots.

As Harrison put it:

'I don't know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
No-one alerted you'.
Prior to the Abu Dhabi era, yes they did spend many years in debt. Prior to the Steve Parish era, so did we.
 
Prior to the Abu Dhabi era, yes they did spend many years in debt. Prior to the Steve Parish era, so did we.

Well yeah, it kind of proves my point about succeeding at the top.

Parish and co stablised us.....but once we managed to get that regular Premier league money we pulled away.

What keeps us out of that top six.....is the same for all the other clubs. Backers willing to lose big money getting us there.
 
Well yeah, it kind of proves my point about succeeding at the top.

Parish and co stablised us.....but once we managed to get that regular Premier league money we pulled away.

What keeps us out of that top six.....is the same for all the other clubs. Backers willing to lose big money getting us there.
That's a slightly different point, and completely true. Although it's also now impossible for any more clubs to get that situation due to the way that the spending rules work.

Johnson is more than capable of keeping up with the Mansours, Glazers, Boehlys, and Kroenkes financially, and could well be willing to if he completes a full takeover. He quite literally won't be allowed to, though.

The drawbridge was pulled up behind the clubs that are already there.
 
That's a slightly different point, and completely true. Although it's also now impossible for any more clubs to get that situation due to the way that the spending rules work.

Johnson is more than capable of keeping up with the Mansours, Glazers, Boehlys, and Kroenkes financially, and could well be willing to if he completes a full takeover. He quite literally won't be allowed to, though.

The drawbridge was pulled up behind the clubs that are already there.

Seriously?

I didn't know that, it almost takes away the point if these elite clubs have blocked any changes at the top.
 
Seriously?

I didn't know that, it almost takes away the point if these elite clubs have blocked any changes at the top.
It's a darn sight harder to do it than it was for Man City, Chelsea, and even more the case way back in the day was for Liverpool, Man Utd.

Newcastle are an easy example of the current situation. In theory the Al Sauds should be able to blow everyone way out of the water, including the Mansours and Boehlys. The Al Sauds are infinitesimally more wealthy, and they have shown their will to use it with LIV and Formula 1 and all kinds of whacky projects.

But they continually bash their heads against FFP, and it's only going to get worse with the new one that's just replaced it, PSR(?) or whatever the new acronym is I forget.
 
It's a darn sight harder to do it than it was for Man City, Chelsea, and even more the case way back in the day was for Liverpool, Man Utd.

Newcastle are an easy example of the current situation. In theory the Al Sauds should be able to blow everyone way out of the water, including the Mansours and Boehlys. The Al Sauds are infinitesimally more wealthy, and they have shown their will to use it with LIV and Formula 1 and all kinds of whacky projects.

But they continually bash their heads against FFP, and it's only going to get worse with the new one that's just replaced it, PSR(?) or whatever the new acronym is I forget.
SCR = Squad Cost Ratio. To be fair, the Premier League are only coming into line with UEFA who also have the same rule which affects all teams playing in their club competitions. The PL ratio is 85% and the UEFA one is even stricter at 70%, which, of course, we had to adhere to last season and will have to again this season. Both Chelsea and Villa got heavy fines from UEFA for breaking that limit as well as the threat of significantly bigger fines if they didn't get their house in order.
 
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Exactly the point. They spent their money then made up rules where no one else could. The most insidious being Man City. Came from nowhere, but no one else can.
City didn't make those rules though, they just slipped through in time before the shutter came down fully.

It was mainly Man Utd executives, David Gill in particular. They held meetings with Liverpool and Arsenal execs and drew it all up shortly after the takeover at Man City, it was mainly City that they were trying to stop with those rules.

So not really the "most incidious". The legacy clubs just wanted to protect their position at the top.

Man United (or the Glazer family) are the most insidious because they did all that whilst they took over the club using entirely a line of debt levied entirely against the brand of the club they were buying with that debt, and continued to run the club that way.

Man City (or Mansour) only ever spent their own money, and didn't have a hand in the rules that now say nobody can do that anymore.

The game should be legislating against the Glazer model, not the Mansour model.
 
City didn't make those rules though, they just slipped through in time before the shutter came down fully.

It was mainly Man Utd executives, David Gill in particular. They held meetings with Liverpool and Arsenal execs and drew it all up shortly after the takeover at Man City, it was mainly City that they were trying to stop with those rules.

So not really the "most incidious". The legacy clubs just wanted to protect their position at the top.

Man United (or the Glazer family) are the most insidious because they did all that whilst they took over the club using entirely a line of debt levied entirely against the brand of the club they were buying with that debt, and continued to run the club that way.

Man City (or Mansour) only ever spent their own money, and didn't have a hand in the rules that now say nobody can do that anymore.

The game should be legislating against the Glazer model, not the Mansour model.
The rules were made by the clubs that it suited. They all have their people in FIFA, UEFA, The Premier League, the FA. Bought and paid for. It's strikingly obvious when you look at people like Marinakis, for example.
This was all done to pull up the drawbridge on other teams buying success.
This wasn't done to stop the Glazers. Nearly all the clubs are hundreds of millions in debt. Some are billions.

We have a situation where some clubs were allowed to buy their way to the top - and then that route is now unavailable to anyone else. It's not a coincidence or some new found morals or beliefs.
 
The rules were made by the clubs that it suited. They all have their people in FIFA, UEFA, The Premier League, the FA. Bought and paid for. It's strikingly obvious when you look at people like Marinakis, for example.
This was all done to pull up the drawbridge on other teams buying success.
This wasn't done to stop the Glazers. Nearly all the clubs are hundreds of millions in debt. Some are billions.

We have a situation where some clubs were allowed to buy their way to the top - and then that route is now unavailable to anyone else. It's not a coincidence or some new found morals or beliefs.
Considering the Glazers were the main driving force behind it, of course it bloody wasn't. It should have been though, in a just world.
 
The rules were made by the clubs that it suited. They all have their people in FIFA, UEFA, The Premier League, the FA. Bought and paid for. It's strikingly obvious when you look at people like Marinakis, for example.
Yes, that's exactly the point. They were already well established and they saw Abu Dhabi approaching on the horizon and they didn't like it.
 
That's a slightly different point, and completely true. Although it's also now impossible for any more clubs to get that situation due to the way that the spending rules work.

Johnson is more than capable of keeping up with the Mansours, Glazers, Boehlys, and Kroenkes financially, and could well be willing to if he completes a full takeover. He quite literally won't be allowed to, though.

The drawbridge was pulled up behind the clubs that are already there.
Yep. The current top clubs were on the posh seats when the music stopped. Everyone else was left standing.
 
This business of the Americans looking to sell, perhaps, and perhaps not for the first time, all brings me back to the same questions I have had since they arrived: Why did Parish sell to them, and why did they buy in?

I remember Parish talking about his impatience to meet the milestones of his grand plan, those being training ground, academy, stadium. From what I could gather the Americans were associated with a funding boost on these fronts. That makes sense as the Americans can't spend much money on players, only infrastructure (see FFP) and it was reported that a capital investment of £50m was part of Parish selling 18% to them. In other words, he sold part of his shares to accelerate the projects, rather than plodding away trying to pay for them out of the clubs turnover.

Only, it is also reported in places that Textor paid towards the academy, or the sale of AWB. I'm not sure these stories add up. The academy was well underway before Textor arrived (though perhaps he helped), and selling AWB offset loses and/or gave us the meagre transfer budget that Hodgson somehow scrapped by on in his first spell.

Perhaps Parish got exactly what he wanted from Blitzer, Harris, and Textor? Even if selhurst park never gets so much as a lick of paint the infrastructure legacy of the training ground and academy appears to be fantastic, and to make us unrecognisable as a club behind the scenes compared to that which Parish took over. If so, then fair play. Hard to be sure, though.

Even then, why did the Americans do it? Did they expect the asset to become that much more valuable that they could cash out at a profit? That seems unrealistic, and these are shrewd people. Plus, any potential profit seems like to be modest at best. Maybe £10m or £20m? That would go a long way to keeping me happy, but it's small change to these guys. Why take the risk? Is it just part of a massive, diverse portfolio?

Parish must've known that diluting his ownership might lead to someone else having majority control. Is his position secure somehow? Even if it is, would he then just do as his new boss tells him? I'm sure he'd be happy to be superceded by someone with deep enough pockets to complete the grand vision by building a new ground (or rebuilding selhurst), but is he now in any position to control who buys the shares? What if it's a scavenger? Or a mad, irresponsible dreamer? Can Parish prevent that? Or would he just have to watch on in horror?

Of course, all these things are inherently private, and so it's very difficult to know. One thing is for sure, it's a reminder that for all the cultural and social significance, football clubs are private companies and we are paying customers. We have no influence beyond that and, unlike in other markets, do not really have the option of using the services of other, rival companies if dissatisfied with Palace.

We will not be asked to vote on this issue!
 
I think if they are serious about selling they really need to finish the Main Stand. Its harder to attract a buyer if he knows he has to come straight in and do up the ground. Granted they wont want to spend more money when they are looking to sell but they'll get a chunk of it back as their asking price for their shares will also rise
 
I think if they are serious about selling they really need to finish the Main Stand. Its harder to attract a buyer if he knows he has to come straight in and do up the ground. Granted they wont want to spend more money when they are looking to sell but they'll get a chunk of it back as their asking price for their shares will also rise
Whoever buys would just subtract the cost of the stand from the value of the club. A smart buyer would offer less but take out debt against the future value of the club with the main stand done.
 
Whoever buys would just subtract the cost of the stand from the value of the club. A smart buyer would offer less but take out debt against the future value of the club with the main stand done.
Doesn't change Palace being a much less attractive proposition with an unbuilt stand.
 

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