Train attack

[mezzer]

The LNER Train Driver who has been called a hero was a Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer.

His name is Andrew Johnson.

I think he was wearing a magic hat.

 

[McAhuna]

Cambridgeshire Police are investigating whether Williams is linked to three other incidents, including the stabbing of a 14-year-old on Friday.

In a statement, Cambridgeshire Constabulary said a barbers in the Fletton area of Peterborough reported a man with a knife on Friday evening, and again on Saturday morning when police were not able to locate the suspect.

A third incident "that police also believe may be linked" involved a 14-year-old who was stabbed on Friday evening by a man with a knife in the city centre," the statement added. The teenager suffered minor injuries.

The force has referred itself to the police watchdog.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Cambridgeshire Police are investigating whether Williams is linked to three other incidents, including the stabbing of a 14-year-old on Friday.

In a statement, Cambridgeshire Constabulary said a barbers in the Fletton area of Peterborough reported a man with a knife on Friday evening, and again on Saturday morning when police were not able to locate the suspect.

A third incident "that police also believe may be linked" involved a 14-year-old who was stabbed on Friday evening by a man with a knife in the city centre," the statement added. The teenager suffered minor injuries.

The force has referred itself to the police watchdog.

I think it gets lost amongst the noise around these incidents, but the repeated failings of the services designed to protect us from this sort of thing over the last few years really is abhorrent.

In nearly all cases there are so many missed opportunities to get to these people before their violence inevitably escalates, and we seem to fail so regularly.

The Southport murderer took a knife to school more than 10 times. He was found by police officers with a knife on a bus, and faced no consequence. He called Childline and told them he wanted to kill people. 3x referrals to Prevent... and nothing happened.

This bloke has potentially been reported to the police 4 times in the 48 hours prior to the train attack, all of them referencing possession of a knife.

It's beyond comprehension that sort of immediate threat to public safety doesn't trigger more of an urgent response.

 

[McAhuna]

I think it gets lost amongst the noise around these incidents, but the repeated failings of the services designed to protect us from this sort of thing over the last few years really is abhorrent.

In nearly all cases there are so many missed opportunities to get to these people before their violence inevitably escalates, and we seem to fail so regularly.

The Southport murderer took a knife to school more than 10 times. He was found by police officers with a knife on a bus, and faced no consequence. He called Childline and told them he wanted to kill people. 3x referrals to Prevent... and nothing happened.

This bloke has potentially been reported to the police 4 times in the 48 hours prior to the train attack, all of them referencing possession of a knife.

It's beyond comprehension that sort of immediate threat to public safety doesn't trigger more of an urgent response.

Incompetence, indifference or are they simply overwhelmed?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Incompetence, indifference or are they simply overwhelmed?

All of the above I think.

 

[ASCPFC]

I think it gets lost amongst the noise around these incidents, but the repeated failings of the services designed to protect us from this sort of thing over the last few years really is abhorrent.

In nearly all cases there are so many missed opportunities to get to these people before their violence inevitably escalates, and we seem to fail so regularly.

The Southport murderer took a knife to school more than 10 times. He was found by police officers with a knife on a bus, and faced no consequence. He called Childline and told them he wanted to kill people. 3x referrals to Prevent... and nothing happened.

This bloke has potentially been reported to the police 4 times in the 48 hours prior to the train attack, all of them referencing possession of a knife.

It's beyond comprehension that sort of immediate threat to public safety doesn't trigger more of an urgent response.

I would say a whole new Police Charter or Code of Conduct or Mission Statement is required. What we need are police on the streets actually policing public spaces. Danger to the public and public safety have to take priority. They need to be out on the beat when on duty, not doing paperwork or admin etc. I would presume technology could help do the paperwork and speed it up dramatically. I think the police are taking too many roles and need to go back to basics. Police also have to be able to stop and search without worrying about race quotas etc. Which has been made obvious too many times, unfortunately. Police need to be far more visible to everyone, including criminals. And clearly, tasers and non lethal force options need to be looked into. Police need to be able to take out attackers quickly and safely. I can't help but feel these stabbing frenzies are going to become a copycat thing somehow - along with the obvious terror threat. Just a hunch.

 

[Eagleman13]

I think it gets lost amongst the noise around these incidents, but the repeated failings of the services designed to protect us from this sort of thing over the last few years really is abhorrent.

In nearly all cases there are so many missed opportunities to get to these people before their violence inevitably escalates, and we seem to fail so regularly.

The Southport murderer took a knife to school more than 10 times. He was found by police officers with a knife on a bus, and faced no consequence. He called Childline and told them he wanted to kill people. 3x referrals to Prevent... and nothing happened.

This bloke has potentially been reported to the police 4 times in the 48 hours prior to the train attack, all of them referencing possession of a knife.

It's beyond comprehension that sort of immediate threat to public safety doesn't trigger more of an urgent response.

Some of this is weird. Train attack, tick. 3 x "crime raised" on the Friday in P'boro, but, a supposedly attack in on the DLR on Sat am. How the hell did he travel P'boro - London - P'boro in that timeframe? Will some of these be wrong, or what? Sorry, dont mean to imply its you that has to answer.

 

[Spindle]

Reminds me of the longterm unemployed Algerian bloke who stabbed the little primary schoolkids in Dublin.
He had been recently caught vandalizing cars and carrying a big knife. The cops let him off without even bothering with any paperwork. Three young kids , and i think two adults. At least one of the little girls was lucky to survive the attack and she will be needing extreme care for the rest of her life.

It's all for the better bigger cause of cultural enrichment through diversity.

Nothing a few mixed race marriages in adverts can't fix.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Some of this is weird. Train attack, tick. 3 x "crime raised" on the Friday in P'boro, but, a supposedly attack in on the DLR on Sat am. How the hell did he travel P'boro - London - P'boro in that timeframe? Will some of these be wrong, or what? Sorry, dont mean to imply its you that has to answer.

Fair questions!

He’s been charged for the incident at Pontoon Dock so they must be pretty confident that’s the same guy.

The timeline of the reported incidents would be:

7pm Friday evening - 14 year old stabbed in Peterborough

7:30pm Friday evening - incident at barbers in Peterborough

1am Saturday morning - DLR incident in London

9:25am Saturday morning - another incident at the same barbers in Peterborough

7:30pm Saturday night - train attack


It’s about a 45 minute train from Kings Cross to Peterborough so it’s possible he travelled into London and out again in those time frames.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Fair questions!

He’s been charged for the incident at Pontoon Dock so they must be pretty confident that’s the same guy.

The timeline of the reported incidents would be:

7pm Friday evening - 14 year old stabbed in Peterborough

7:30pm Friday evening - incident at barbers in Peterborough

1am Saturday morning - DLR incident in London

9:25am Saturday morning - another incident at the same barbers in Peterborough

7:30pm Saturday night - train attack


It’s about a 45 minute train from Kings Cross to Peterborough so it’s possible he travelled into London and out again in those time frames.

Hope he bought a ticket…

 

[becky]

Fair questions!

He’s been charged for the incident at Pontoon Dock so they must be pretty confident that’s the same guy.

The timeline of the reported incidents would be:

7pm Friday evening - 14 year old stabbed in Peterborough

7:30pm Friday evening - incident at barbers in Peterborough

1am Saturday morning - DLR incident in London

9:25am Saturday morning - another incident at the same barbers in Peterborough

7:30pm Saturday night - train attack


It’s about a 45 minute train from Kings Cross to Peterborough so it’s possible he travelled into London and out again in those time frames.

Potentially looking for the right conditions for his train stabbing incident, I wonder? Wasn't any good/busy enough/right people so went back to base and started again.

 

[cryrst]

It's all for the better bigger cause of cultural enrichment through diversity.

Nothing a few mixed race marriages in adverts can't fix.

This is where we are at I’m afraid.
Lawrence and institutional racism is still playing a part. I still have reservations in the truth of this and believe some of all trades and people are racist. On here it’s a label for us who want to question the sense of our current immigration policy and actions to limit it. Thrown around so much it doesn’t quite put people in a quiet place unless you are the law !

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Seems to be some outstanding bravery and decision making coming to light.

The train guard and some of the passengers seem to have acted incredibly bravely and selflessly to tackle or delay the attacker and the train drivers quick thinking and actions to get onto the slow line and be able to stop at Huntingdon station appears to have saved numerous lives or others from serious injury.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Cambs Police HQ is also directly across the road from Huntingdon Train Station and is literally less than 60 seconds away. As well as being the Cambs Police HQ it is the base for the Cambs ARV’s in the tri-force Beds/Cambs/Herts agreement. This undoubtedly played a huge part in having armed officers on scene so quickly. There is also an A&E Hospital on the Hinchingbrooke estate which is next to the Police HQ.

 

[McAhuna]

Cambs Police HQ is also directly across the road from Huntingdon Train Station and is literally less than 60 seconds away. As well as being the Cambs Police HQ it is the base for the Cambs ARV’s in the tri-force Beds/Cambs/Herts agreement. This undoubtedly played a huge part in having armed officers on scene so quickly. There is also an A&E Hospital on the Hinchingbrooke estate which is next to the Police HQ.

So the psycho travelled up and down the country looking for the perfect location and chose opposite Cambs Police HQ and the base for the Cambs ARV’s in the tri-force Beds/Cambs/Herts.
Strange.

 

[McAhuna]

Hope he bought a ticket…

There is a serious point here too.
Train tickets are barely enforced, allowing people like this to roam around at will unhindered.

In a fully functioning society he would have been apprehended at some point on his journey to and from London.

 

[eritheagle]

There is a serious point here too.
Train tickets are barely enforced, allowing people like this to roam around at will unhindered.

In a fully functioning society he would have been apprehended at some point on his journey to and from London.

I was on a train with my girlfriend travelling from paddington to cheltenham last tuesday. We were in the seats in quiet carriage at the front of train.

It was strange in that it was quite late into the journey before we had our tickets checked. The poor ticket inspector looked quite visibly shaken and had to sit down when he reached us. He said he'd had trouble with people in another carriage who "didn't seem to think they needed to buy tickets". It explained why they kept playing the message about abuse against their staff not being tolerated.

He was a really nice man and doesn't deserve to be shaken up like that when just doing his job.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

So the psycho travelled up and down the country looking for the perfect location and chose opposite Cambs Police HQ and the base for the Cambs ARV’s in the tri-force Beds/Cambs/Herts.
Strange.

Well, it appears that he lived in Peterborough and boarded the train in Peterborough…and then started to attack people.

The train wasn’t scheduled to stop at Huntingdon and I doubt the train crew were aware of the location of Cambs Police HQ or ARV base. The LNER control room (in liaison with police) may have been aware but ultimately I imagine it is just a case that Huntingdon was the first available place to stop after the attack was notified and the location of the Police HQ and ARV base is just coincidence.

 

[Badger11]

Well, it appears that he lived in Peterborough and boarded the train in Peterborough…and then started to attack people.

The train wasn’t scheduled to stop at Huntingdon and I doubt the train crew were aware of the location of Cambs Police HQ or ARV base. The LNER control room (in liaison with police) may have been aware but ultimately I imagine it is just a case that Huntingdon was the first available place to stop after the attack was notified and the location of the Police HQ and ARV base is just coincidence.

Airline security isn't going to work on trains too many stations and too many unmanned. However The train companies can have contingency plans.

When a plane is hijacked midair the plan is to land at Stanstead where the reception committee is waiting. On each major line I would expect the rail company and police to have an emergency plan. The driver should have instructions in the event of an emergency do the following e.g. divert to Huntingdon.

I would hope this is done now, if not why not.

 

[McAhuna]

Well, it appears that he lived in Peterborough and boarded the train in Peterborough…and then started to attack people.

The train wasn’t scheduled to stop at Huntingdon and I doubt the train crew were aware of the location of Cambs Police HQ or ARV base. The LNER control room (in liaison with police) may have been aware but ultimately I imagine it is just a case that Huntingdon was the first available place to stop after the attack was notified and the location of the Police HQ and ARV base is just coincidence.

Yes, but according to the post earlier in this thread he travelled to London and back overnight, and was involved in incident there too. Possibly scoping out locations to do the crime.