Tommy Robinson

[Mattconrov]

I don’t use the term “white supremacist” any more than I use “white race”!

I am just referring to those that do.

There’s not any cognitive dissonance involved in my approach, although there could be in yours!

Your quote.

" describing people by their notional skin colour is what out ancestors used to do - and white supremacistd continue to do. "

It's in print you said it. Use all the mental gymnastics you want. You're referred to them as white supremacists; but say there is no white race. At least try and be consistent.

You badly need to talk to some sensible black people to see how your views belittle them.
There is another word I would use for you; but it would get me banned.

 

[Mattconrov]

That is your mistake and probably Y-L’s too.

We don’t have a Christian culture. We have a Christian heritage. A heritage that’s very precious and must be preserved but not something that controls our daily lives.

If we are to bring all our citizens, whatever their skin colour, religion or personal heritage, into our circle of respect then we must start by being honest. Not all Muslims are radicalised with a hatred for others at their core. Neither are all non-believers or believers in other religions upright, law abiding people with love for everyone at their core.

We must classify the evil together and the good together as a fundamental principle and stop categorising people in arbitrary ways, like their beliefs or lack of them.

That we have problems with groups who currently don’t share our values is clearly true. That has to change. Those who allow their interpretation of their beliefs to commit unlawful acts must be interred and re-educated until it stops. Those of school age must be taught our values exclusively and any radical teaching completely eradicated. Ruthlessly.

We are now a secular country in all but name and, as I have suggested before, we need to accept and then confirm it. Religion must play no role in public life, or in education. It needs to become an entirely private matter. Only then can we demand the same from everyone.

This would take generations to fully complete, so I wouldn’t ever witness it, but we could start now. The problem is that no political party is yet even talking about it. Indeed the Labour Party, in reacting to Reform, appear to be heading the other way. So it seems likely to get worse before it gets better.

There are villages in England being built by Muslims. They have mosques and the road names are all Islamic. Probably/certainly their own Islamic schools too.

You have understood there is a problem (bravo). But the way we are allowing the problem to expand is making things worse.

I know not all Muslims are radical. I know plenty and they are great guys.

But if Islam gets the upper hand in this country through weight of numbers and being able to influence in positions of power (Which David Cameron had an agenda for) then there will be no Christian heritage to speak of.

So maybe we should have slowed down on our liberal idea of allowing foreigners to come into our country and change it into theirs.

They certainly wouldn't allow it in theirs and that would be right and correct.

You say we should not characterise whole groups and I agree to a point.

However this is what you regularly do.

From starmer calling everyone far right to you using phrases like white supremacists or Yaxley-Lennon and his followers.

People have their own individual concerns that sometimes relate to the group but at other times don't.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

There are villages in England being built by Muslims. They have mosques and the road names are all Islamic. Probably/certainly their own Islamic schools too.

what like a new Milton-Keynes ? imagine if the young couple, Nigel & Sharon, moved in ? how would it be for them ?

Do we already know how it was for the elderly Mabel, in some other neighbourhoods.

Author who visited Muslim mosques across Britain

British writer and political advisor Ed Husain, from London, has penned Among The Mosques: A Journey Across Muslim Britain, which will be released next week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Mattconrov]

what like a new Milton-Keynes ? imagine if the young couple, Nigel & Sharon, moved in ? how would it be for them ?

Do we already know how it was for the elderly Mabel, in some other neighbourhoods.

Author who visited Muslim mosques across Britain

British writer and political advisor Ed Husain, from London, has penned Among The Mosques: A Journey Across Muslim Britain, which will be released next week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I had to visit Farnham in Surrey the other week.

As I widened the map for directions I discovered a complete Muslim village and Mosque.

Mental how this has been allowed to happen

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your quote.

" describing people by their notional skin colour is what out ancestors used to do - and white supremacistd continue to do. "

It's in print you said it. Use all the mental gymnastics you want. You're referred to them as white supremacists; but say there is no white race. At least try and be consistent.

You badly need to talk to some sensible black people to see how your views belittle them.
There is another word I would use for you; but it would get me banned.

What complete garbage!

No-one can deny that people who are described as “white supremacists” exist! So why on earth should I use any other epithet? That doesn’t mean I approve, endorse or sympathise with their approach. That they are “white supremacists” doesn’t mean I think they should be described as “white” themselves! I am describing their attitudes. Not their appearance.

I am more than happy to talk to anyone about my views, and often do. They don’t belittle anyone at all. Quite the reverse. Freeing people from the chain of an arbitrary label enables them to be judged entirely on their merits, as a person.

There are many entirely accurate descriptives that apply to a variety of people here that I choose not to use, but do when discussing things with my friends.

 

[Penge Eagle]

That is your mistake and probably Y-L’s too.

We don’t have a Christian culture. We have a Christian heritage. A heritage that’s very precious and must be preserved but not something that controls our daily lives.

If we are to bring all our citizens, whatever their skin colour, religion or personal heritage, into our circle of respect then we must start by being honest. Not all Muslims are radicalised with a hatred for others at their core. Neither are all non-believers or believers in other religions upright, law abiding people with love for everyone at their core.

We must classify the evil together and the good together as a fundamental principle and stop categorising people in arbitrary ways, like their beliefs or lack of them.

That we have problems with groups who currently don’t share our values is clearly true. That has to change. Those who allow their interpretation of their beliefs to commit unlawful acts must be interred and re-educated until it stops. Those of school age must be taught our values exclusively and any radical teaching completely eradicated. Ruthlessly.

We are now a secular country in all but name and, as I have suggested before, we need to accept and then confirm it. Religion must play no role in public life, or in education. It needs to become an entirely private matter. Only then can we demand the same from everyone.

This would take generations to fully complete, so I wouldn’t ever witness it, but we could start now. The problem is that no political party is yet even talking about it. Indeed the Labour Party, in reacting to Reform, appear to be heading the other way. So it seems likely to get worse before it gets better.

When you say: "That we have problems with groups who currently don’t share our values is clearly true. That has to change" – what is your solution? In fact that statement actually aligns with TR.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There are villages in England being built by Muslims. They have mosques and the road names are all Islamic. Probably/certainly their own Islamic schools too.

You have understood there is a problem (bravo). But the way we are allowing the problem to expand is making things worse.

I know not all Muslims are radical. I know plenty and they are great guys.

But if Islam gets the upper hand in this country through weight of numbers and being able to influence in positions of power (Which David Cameron had an agenda for) then there will be no Christian heritage to speak of.

So maybe we should have slowed down on our liberal idea of allowing foreigners to come into our country and change it into theirs.

They certainly wouldn't allow it in theirs and that would be right and correct.

You say we should not characterise whole groups and I agree to a point.

However this is what you regularly do.

From starmer calling everyone far right to you using phrases like white supremacists or Yaxley-Lennon and his followers.

People have their own individual concerns that sometimes relate to the group but at other times don't.

It won’t. For 2 reasons. Firstly because “the great replacement theory” isn’t true. Despite there having been a higher number of immigrants in recent years this is far from a new phenomenon. History tells us that over time immigrants become absorbed into the mainstream. Whilst the current situation demands we make concerted efforts to ensure that happens there is no reason to believe that will fail. Secondly because the majority don’t want it to happen so would take steps to ensure it didn’t if ever it looked even remotely possible.

I don’t, which is why I am suggesting we take the actions I have. Actions that are positive and achievable. Much more so than the whining and moaning that we hear from some, whose only suggestion is that we “stop the boats” or “deport” masses of people. Non achievable rhetoric!

What we should, or should not, have done is always illuminated by hindsight. We are though where we are. Far right groups and white supremacists exist. That doesn’t mean everyone who is concerned belongs to such groups, anymore than every Muslim is a radical.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

When you say: "That we have problems with groups who currently don’t share our values is clearly true. That has to change" – what is your solution? In fact that statement actually aligns with TR.

Read the post you replied to. The outline is there. I have expanded on this many times here.

 

[Mattconrov]

What complete garbage!

No-one can deny that people who are described as “white supremacists” exist! So why on earth should I use any other epithet? That doesn’t mean I approve, endorse or sympathise with their approach. That they are “white supremacists” doesn’t mean I think they should be described as “white” themselves! I am describing their attitudes. Not their appearance.

I am more than happy to talk to anyone about my views, and often do. They don’t belittle anyone at all. Quite the reverse. Freeing people from the chain of an arbitrary label enables them to be judged entirely on their merits, as a person.

There are many entirely accurate descriptives that apply to a variety of people here that I choose not to use, but do when discussing things with my friends.

You know I have so much trouble getting into work and town. All I keep doing is bumping into these white supremacists. They are everywhere. Under my bed too.

Please point out names and evidence.
The kkk are an embarrassing mess only a handful around still.

Yes we have a few white nationalists here. But not in any great numbers.

If there were so many racists in this and USA then they wouldn't come here in such numbers.

It seems to me, most of the open racism is directed towards white people. You'll like that comment I bet. Lol


We do have a few people who love to use the words black power. Funny, I don't remember you ever referring to them.

There you go again with the white saviour complex. "Freeing people from the chains of their labels". People don't need you for that.

You used the word chains. Lol

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It won’t. For 2 reasons. Firstly because “the great replacement theory” isn’t true. Despite there having been a higher number of immigrants in recent years this is far from a new phenomenon. History tells us that over time immigrants become absorbed into the mainstream. Whilst the current situation demands we make concerted efforts to ensure that happens there is no reason to believe that will fail. Secondly because the majority don’t want it to happen so would take steps to ensure it didn’t if ever it looked even remotely possible.

I don’t, which is why I am suggesting we take the actions I have. Actions that are positive and achievable. Much more so than the whining and moaning that we hear from some, whose only suggestion is that we “stop the boats” or “deport” masses of people. Non achievable rhetoric!

What we should, or should not, have done is always illuminated by hindsight. We are though where we are. Far right groups and white supremacists exist. That doesn’t mean everyone who is concerned belongs to such groups, anymore than every Muslim is a radical.

The residents of Savile Town would disagree about the replacement theory.

 

[beak]

So we have thrashed this subject around for ages with very little agreement which proves he is a divisive character.

 

[Mattconrov]

It won’t. For 2 reasons. Firstly because “the great replacement theory” isn’t true. Despite there having been a higher number of immigrants in recent years this is far from a new phenomenon. History tells us that over time immigrants become absorbed into the mainstream. Whilst the current situation demands we make concerted efforts to ensure that happens there is no reason to believe that will fail. Secondly because the majority don’t want it to happen so would take steps to ensure it didn’t if ever it looked even remotely possible.

I don’t, which is why I am suggesting we take the actions I have. Actions that are positive and achievable. Much more so than the whining and moaning that we hear from some, whose only suggestion is that we “stop the boats” or “deport” masses of people. Non achievable rhetoric!

What we should, or should not, have done is always illuminated by hindsight. We are though where we are. Far right groups and white supremacists exist. That doesn’t mean everyone who is concerned belongs to such groups, anymore than every Muslim is a radical.

By history let's say since 1997 and Blair. Before 1997 how many have come to these shores and how many have come since.

I don't know the exact numbers but it's ridiculously higher than pre 1997.

So if you are talking about absorbtion pre 1997 and after 1997; then it's completely ridiculous to say it will be the same "absorbtion". What do you even mean by absorbtion.

Because of the vastly increased numbers since 1997; you cannot expect that amount of people to integrate very well.

Not only has it been done in such a short time, we also have many different cultures coming in and clashing. Not enough time to assimilate. It's not fair on them and it's not fair on us.

That's why it's only been since the late 90s people started noticing.

You had your national front and bnp idiots of course pre Blair. But they had a different agenda.

joe bloggs just sees his country dramatically changing - and they didn't vote for it.

I agree with you that deporting people legally here is wrong and non achievable. But how is it not achievable to stop the boat loads of illegals coming in.

Just turn them around. Ffs

 

[Mattconrov]

So we have thrashed this subject around for ages with very little agreement which proves he is a divisive character.

Tommy Robinson is a divisive character .
You don't say.

You came to that conclusion just a minute ago did you. Lol

 

[beak]

Tommy Robinson is a divisive character .
You don't say.

You came to that conclusion just a minute ago did you. Lol

Stating the facts unlike your flights of fancy. 😆 😉 😆

 

[PalazioVecchio]

When you say: "That we have problems with groups who currently don’t share our values is clearly true. That has to change" – what is your solution? In fact that statement actually aligns with TR.

- the Chinese of Wardour Street
- The Koreans of Tolworth/New Malden

- The irish of Kilburn
- The jews of Bethnal Green.
- the Latin-americans of Stockwell.

'Not sharing your values' isn't a problem, so long as we all ...
- show some respect,
- pay our taxes,
- Identify the Monarch & PM as leaders of the nation ( regardless of who it is, and even whether you like them)
- obey the Law,
- contribute to the economy,
- intermix both socially and if you are really integrated..
- intermixed marriages ( gender-balanced, not all one-way traffic ).

I would argue that the groups i mention above all do behave themselves, and are often better behaved than the statistical average. And also many other groups, too numerous to mention. And as for TR's observations on other groups ? no comment.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I had to visit Farnham in Surrey the other week.

As I widened the map for directions I discovered a complete Muslim village and Mosque.

Mental how this has been allowed to happen

I had never heard of this idea before but after a little research it seems to be a currently popular right wing myth.

There isn’t a Muslim “village” near Farnham. There is an estate within the village of Tilford which serves as the HQ of the Ahmadiyya community in the UK.

They sound like a really nice group. People we should be encouraging and not seeking to denigrate:-

Home - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK

We are witnessing a catastrophic war that is causing the death of thousands of innocent civilians. The humanitarian tragedy is being worsened by the

ahmadiyyauk.org

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I had never heard of this idea before but after a little research it seems to be a currently popular right wing myth.

There isn’t a Muslim “village” near Farnham. There is an estate within the village of Tilford which serves as the HQ of the Ahmadiyya community in the UK.

They sound like a really nice group. People we should be encouraging and not seeking to denigrate:-

Home - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK

We are witnessing a catastrophic war that is causing the death of thousands of innocent civilians. The humanitarian tragedy is being worsened by the

ahmadiyyauk.org

What about Newham where there are three electoral wards with a white British population of under 5%.
Or is that a right wing myth too?

 

[Mattconrov]

I had never heard of this idea before but after a little research it seems to be a currently popular right wing myth.

There isn’t a Muslim “village” near Farnham. There is an estate within the village of Tilford which serves as the HQ of the Ahmadiyya community in the UK.

They sound like a really nice group. People we should be encouraging and not seeking to denigrate:-

Home - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK

We are witnessing a catastrophic war that is causing the death of thousands of innocent civilians. The humanitarian tragedy is being worsened by the

ahmadiyyauk.org

My God man. I'll look it up and send you the map.

All the road names were Islamic and it had a mosque.

 

[Mattconrov]

Islamabad, Tilford - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I hate using wiki as evidence. Make your own mind up.

Residential housing etc etc.

Why do you gaslight like this. Technically, semantics on your part, it may not be a village Technically. Lol

It's called Islamabad. It bloody is, isn't it?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

By history let's say since 1997 and Blair. Before 1997 how many have come to these shores and how many have come since.

I don't know the exact numbers but it's ridiculously higher than pre 1997.

So if you are talking about absorbtion pre 1997 and after 1997; then it's completely ridiculous to say it will be the same "absorbtion". What do you even mean by absorbtion.

Because of the vastly increased numbers since 1997; you cannot expect that amount of people to integrate very well.

Not only has it been done in such a short time, we also have many different cultures coming in and clashing. Not enough time to assimilate. It's not fair on them and it's not fair on us.

That's why it's only been since the late 90s people started noticing.

You had your national front and bnp idiots of course pre Blair. But they had a different agenda.

joe bloggs just sees his country dramatically changing - and they didn't vote for it.

I agree with you that deporting people legally here is wrong and non achievable. But how is it not achievable to stop the boat loads of illegals coming in.

Just turn them around. Ffs

Why 1997? We have witnessed influx before that, going right back to the Romans and Vikings. The problem is that data for those isn’t available so all we have are estimates.

That said, we can agree that the % of us who were born abroad is higher today than it’s ever been before. That though is no reason at all not to expect those people, but more especially their successors, to become more and more British as they attend schools and absorb our culture. To say nothing about intermarriage!

That there are some problems is obvious, which is why we need to be proactive to ensure it happens.

If it was possible to just “turn them around” it would have been done years ago. We are bound by legal obligations and conventions. We have no alternative other than to cooperate with our European neighbours to tackle the issue of the trafficking gangs at source.

It might be frustrating but it’s the reality. So we need to develop realistic responses within the UK. Of course illegal immigration gets all the headlines but most immigration is legal, much of it to fill jobs that would otherwise go unfulfilled. Many of these people will become citizens and continue being useful members of our society, paying their taxes and eventually becoming one of us. Just as they always have.