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Tommy Robinson

I’m not necessarily bothered about his criminal record, donations etc, but more about bullsh1t or contradictions of TR. What is interesting is that the white boy who held the Syrian boy down while forcing water onto and into him has a brother who was a member of the NF or a similar group. TR never mentioned this.

But what this video doesn’t explain is that the judge at the Syrian schoolboy case ignored and dismissed that all 12 witnesses (7 teachers including the head teacher + 5 pupils including one now studying law at uni) as "liars" and stated "sometimes people lie for no reason". Two teachers admitted on hidden video that they were forced to sign NDAS and were paid off by Kirklees Council.

There is also a case on one of TR’s videos when TR was asked by a white teenage girl I think it was who claimed she was groomed by a Muslim man up north. TR went to investigate this and immediately alarm bells were ringing. He gained entry into the Muslim man’s house with his family and also investigated the matter locally. He concluded that the girl was lying so didn’t take it any further. While he was in the area a young white male verbally attacked TR so TR physically assaulted him after warning him to go away. The young male’s father was a wealthy man with links to far left politics.
 
I wish people would stop attacking individuals and focus on the facts.

Politics has become far too much about being right and stopping others being wrong, rather than working towards the common good.

You can try and fool people as much as you like, but sometimes the truth is too clear and obvious to hide.

Something is very wrong in this country and politicians seem complicit.

Is Tommy Robinson really the problem?
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Is Tommy Robinson really the problem?
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The issue with TR is that many on the Far-Right, myself included, see him as a lightning rod. A bought and paid for shill potentially controlled by Israeli assets used to stir up anti-Islamic sentiment in a way that makes a lot of noise but achieves very little. Yes, much of what he goes on about are causes I tend to agree with and he raises good points but I have always thought of him as somebody who is ultimately not our friend. He puts numbers on the streets but, and this is where people sometimes struggle to grasp how things work, that is actually a sign of weakness at this stage of the game.. I get the anger, I get why people are frustrated and I get why they want to voice that. I just don't see TR as the vehicle by which anything actually changes. If anything he is a hindrance because he is so easily belittled. Pure containment.

What DID scare the Establishment was the spontaneous uprisings following the Southport murders. Remember how to start with all the narrative was around how it was the EDL organising of it and people being shipped in? All uttter baloney. Plus the backlash. People up in court and jailed on the same day. Bail refused. Etc, etc. A genuine impact, for good and bad, on those who run this country.

Now I would not encourage anybody to take part in such protests but there is more genuine energy in what happened in those than anything TR is involved in. A lot of good people put their faith in TR and I get why, but he is not to be trusted in the slightest. A bad actor. In almost every way definable. Come October 26th, which is the next big protest, I will be staying indoors and encourage any and everybody else to do the same.
 
Matov said:
The issue with TR is that many on the Far-Right, myself included, see him as a lightning rod. A bought and paid for shill potentially controlled by Israeli assets used to stir up anti-Islamic sentiment in a way that makes a lot of noise but achieves very little. Yes, much of what he goes on about are causes I tend to agree with and he raises good points but I have always thought of him as somebody who is ultimately not our friend. He puts numbers on the streets but, and this is where people sometimes struggle to grasp how things work, that is actually a sign of weakness at this stage of the game.. I get the anger, I get why people are frustrated and I get why they want to voice that. I just don't see TR as the vehicle by which anything actually changes. If anything he is a hindrance because he is so easily belittled. Pure containment.

What DID scare the Establishment was the spontaneous uprisings following the Southport murders. Remember how to start with all the narrative was around how it was the EDL organising of it and people being shipped in? All uttter baloney. Plus the backlash. People up in court and jailed on the same day. Bail refused. Etc, etc. A genuine impact, for good and bad, on those who run this country.

Now I would not encourage anybody to take part in such protests but there is more genuine energy in what happened in those than anything TR is involved in. A lot of good people put their faith in TR and I get why, but he is not to be trusted in the slightest. A bad actor. In almost every way definable. Come October 26th, which is the next big protest, I will be staying indoors and encourage any and everybody else to do the same.
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No one with any intelligence thinks that Tommy Robinson is a good ambassador for so called right wing politics.
That said, we must not fall victim to leftist propaganda about those who speak out about the relevant issues. Nigel Farage and others have been accused of all sorts. It is the tactic of the 'establishment' and their useful idiot leftist friends to besmirch anyone who becomes a perceived threat.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
i cannot , for the life of me, imagine what triggered this phenomenon.

www.dublinlive.ie

Dublin man pleads not guilty to murder of Mary Ward in Belfast

Ahmed Abdirahman, 31, who had an address at Kinlay House, Dame St, Dublin 2, was taken to Kevin Street station, detained and charged on Thursday night
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You know who on hol claims that crime on women by men from Islamic countries is no higher proportionately than that of men with roots from the British isles. This is being proved to be true a trend in Ireland because it’s smaller, more obvious and more difficult to disguise by the usual idiots.

Next it’ll be because there aren’t many British isles people left or they’re the minority so of course that’ll be the case. They’ll have that right.

The usual response to these sorts of things now goes like this:

‘’It isn’t true that this is happening’’

THEN…

‘’It is happening but it isn’t that bad’’
 
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We had this issue of what a woman was wearing before being raped addressed years ago. Now these backward dregs are emphasising to their flocks that women are to blame for just dressing inappropriately (not dressing in an Islamic way). The nerve of these people… (It also says in Sharia that anyone who has sex out of marriage should be stoned to death, including women who’ve been raped)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844309667394236815
 
Rudi Hedman said:
You know who on hol claims that crime on women by men from Islamic countries is no higher proportionately than that of men with roots from the British isles. This is being proved to be true a trend in Ireland because it’s smaller, more obvious and more difficult to disguise by the usual idiots.
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some things are difficult to prove statistically. Others ? not so difficult.

Will it be necessary to conduct a campaign against racism & prejudice ? A prejudice that sees our teenage women as merely tuppenny wh0res to be toyed with , abused and then discarded ? Was the old football slogan 'no to all forms of racism' ?

The comments from the defending solicitor are frankly risible.

www.sundayworld.com

Face of taxi driver jailed for repeated sex attacks on woman (18) in Dublin cab

A taxi driver who repeatedly sexually assaulted a young woman he was driving home from a night out has been jailed for five and a half years.
www.sundayworld.com www.sundayworld.com
 
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Just a heads up.

I am aware of a documentary being aired on Channel 4 on Monday next at 10 pm which promises to be both interesting and informative. I plan to watch it then, or asap on catch up. I hope you do too.

Wouldn’t it be nice to celebrate a Palace victory with a glass or two whilst watching a well researched documentary. Which I understand this to be.

The reason it’s in this thread? You’ll need to watch it.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Just a heads up.

I am aware of a documentary being aired on Channel 4 on Monday next at 10 pm which promises to be both interesting and informative. I plan to watch it then, or asap on catch up. I hope you do too.

Wouldn’t it be nice to celebrate a Palace victory with a glass or two whilst watching a well researched documentary. Which I understand this to be.

The reason it’s in this thread? You’ll need to watch it.
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"Featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate" so it will be completely objective.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
"Featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate" so it will be completely objective.
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Surely to be anti-fascist is also to be objective?

Who supports fascists?

Exposing fascism is to expose extremism and hatred but we will need to watch the documentary to form our own objective opinion.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Just for balance, will they include this attempted takedown of Tommy Robinson by the BBC with fabricated information’? And will they include the disinformation tweet by Nick Knowles of Hope Not Hate where he said acid had been thrown at a Muslim woman from a car during the post Southport troubles?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778718822628737481
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Whataboutery to deflect attention before even viewing the content is plumbing new depths of excuses.

The documentary is, I understand, about extremism.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Whataboutery to deflect attention before even viewing the content is plumbing new depths of excuses.

The documentary is, I understand, about extremism.
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If Hope Not Hate are to be taken with credibility and without concealing facts then this should be included in a documentary heavily focused on them. You’re implying a one sided documentary where one side is free from criticism, hypocrisy, disinformation and inciting violence with facts available is fair. I’m not surprised.

And as it’s about extremism, will it include far left and Islamic extremism, responsible for over 75% of extremism according to MI5 I think it is? Or does it get a pass too?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Surely to be anti-fascist is also to be objective?

Who supports fascists?

Exposing fascism is to expose extremism and hatred but we will need to watch the documentary to form our own objective opinion.
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If you have nothing better to do than watch a programme about someone you dislike intensely made by others who also don't like him or anything he says or does then knock yourself out.
I don't care for the man or what he represents, apart from his stance over the grooming gangs, so have no interest in watching it.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
If Hope Not Hate are to be taken with credibility and without concealing facts then this should be included in a documentary heavily focused on them. You’re implying a one sided documentary where one side is free from criticism, hypocrisy, disinformation and inciting violence with facts available is fair. I’m not surprised.

And as it’s about extremism, will it include far left and Islamic extremism, responsible for over 75% of extremism according to MI5 I think it is? Or does it get a pass too?
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I’ve not yet seen it. Have you?

My understanding is that it isn’t made “Hope not Hate”. It’s by a journalist who follows them as they investigate extremist activities.

There are plenty of opportunities for people like Yaxley-Lennon to put over their own viewpoints. He is hardly reluctant to publish his opinions is he?

I don’t know if other types of extremism are covered but believe this concentrates on the far right. All forms of extremism need to be condemned as extremism is the common enemy of us all. What its source is ought not divide us. Whilst Islamic terrorism remains the biggest threat by volume the growth of right wing extremism is the area of most concern:-


It cannot therefore just be brushed aside. It needs to be faced, accepted as a threat and dealt with.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
If you have nothing better to do than watch a programme about someone you dislike intensely made by others who also don't like him or anything he says or does then knock yourself out.
I don't care for the man or what he represents, apart from his stance over the grooming gangs, so have no interest in watching it.
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So far as I know Yaxley-Lennon is not the subject. He is included as an example but it’s not specifically about him. It’s about the growth of right-wing extremism.

Extremism ought, in my opinion, concern us all, no matter what its source is.

I would watch any documentary detailing how extremism is founded and what is being done to overcome it as I believe eradicating it is central to the future health of the nation.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
If Hope Not Hate are to be taken with credibility and without concealing facts then this should be included in a documentary heavily focused on them. You’re implying a one sided documentary where one side is free from criticism, hypocrisy, disinformation and inciting violence with facts available is fair. I’m not surprised.

And as it’s about extremism, will it include far left and Islamic extremism, responsible for over 75% of extremism according to MI5 I think it is? Or does it get a pass too?
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The 75 percent figure from MI5 is negligent and the idea that the 'far right' deserve 25 percent of spending is pure politics.

As far as I'm aware there is no significant violent threat from the 'far right'. Aside from the growing threat from violent Islam, there is far more threat from foreign criminal gangs in our cities.

This spending is political in nature and if we get an attack from Islamists that is due to this chosen level of split in resources then those responsible for those decisions will have at least that negligence as blood on their hands.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
If Hope Not Hate are to be taken with credibility and without concealing facts then this should be included in a documentary heavily focused on them. You’re implying a one sided documentary where one side is free from criticism, hypocrisy, disinformation and inciting violence with facts available is fair. I’m not surprised.

And as it’s about extremism, will it include far left and Islamic extremism, responsible for over 75% of extremism according to MI5 I think it is? Or does it get a pass too?
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'Left-wing, anarchist and single-issue terrorism makes up a significantly smaller portion of our casework than other forms of terrorism. It encompasses a wide range of ideologies. It includes those from the extreme political left-wing as well as anarchists who seek to use violence to advance their cause in seeking to overthrow the state in all its forms.'

Taken from MI5 security web page.

It's telling the way you've conflated extreme Islamic and left-wing threats. Very handy spin, there, Rudi.
 
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