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The Politics of 'Climate-change'

Wisbech Eagle said:
Deny climate change?

You can disagree with the politics of whatever British party you choose but you won’t find one denying climate change.

You might find some prepared to avoid taking the needed actions in order to be popular and get power. Which is why we need to take this out of daily politics and agree a cross party strategy that all sign up to for the long term. Dealing with such an existential threat demands such an approach.
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No, not deny climate change.
Make decisions for underlying reasons.
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1890072586274652193
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He is talking, not for the first time, complete bs.

I don’t think very many expect net zero to be achieved by 2050. It’s a target, not an absolute. You need to have ambitious aims to focus minds and get the direction set. If you aim for the bull and hit the 25 you can still get first throw.

The assertion that we have the most expensive electricity is just wrong. Italy, Ireland, The Netherlands and Germany are all more expensive. I lived for a while in the Philippines. It costs twice there what it does here.

The problem is not whether we achieve net zero by any particular date. The problem is those who want to abandon all the effort to ever get there.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
If you make any decisions regarding the way to respond to threat of climate change for any other reason other than it is existential then you are, in practice, denying it.
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Storm their strongholds with solar powered torches and find an environmentally safe way to burn these heretics. That'll save the planet.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No he hasn’t. He was as confused as you and many others are over this subject.m

Nobody has ever suggested that natural climate change doesn’t happen and has always happened. It is happening now, even if we cannot detect it.

Natural climate change takes thousands of years for its impacts to manifest themselves. It happens so slowly that nobody at the time would notice anything. Populations would gradually move or adapt. Only we can tell this by observing the geological record left behind. We know that ice once covered the uk because we can see the glacial valleys. We know other animals roamed because we can find their fossils.

Man made climate change is very different. It’s happening at pace. It started during the Industrial Revolution and has increased as the whole world industrialised.

You need to separate the two.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1890671755326366008
 
It was found one of our local wood-burners (bios-mass) had wood in its stockpile from rainforests and deforestation activities on the other side of the planet. "Oh dear, don't let us catch you again."
Burning organic material is a one-way path. Once it's ash, there's no way back.
It's not sustainable energy, because of the fact it takes trees over 50 years to get anywhere near maturity. Re-growing trees just isn't going to happen
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Depends. Are they made of recyclable material and the straps of locally sourced natural material?
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Blimey Teddy, my post was intentionally flippant.

I'm sure the answer to your question will show that huge swathes of rain forest, hundreds of tons of hydrocarbons, hoardes of under age kids and thousands of air miles were used to make them. Thing is though, no batteries are used to run them. Works for me.
 
Palace Old Geezer said:
Blimey Teddy, my post was intentionally flippant.

I'm sure the answer to your question will show that huge swathes of rain forest, hundreds of tons of hydrocarbons, hoardes of under age kids and thousands of air miles were used to make them. Thing is though, no batteries are used to run them. Works for me.
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So was mine POG!
Besides I live in Scotland so anything solar powered is a dubious proposition.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Hopeless!

There comes a point when the peer reviewed evidence is so overwhelming that theory becomes fact. Man made climate change passed that point decades ago.

Who cares? I do and so do billions of others. Billions of unborn people need us to stop being selfish and think of them.
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More nonsense from you and showing you have no understanding how the peer review process even works.

overwhelming evidence you claim so provide it o right you can't because it's made up models to suite agendas and then people who have the same invested interest review it claiming its solid science without even doing any science.
 
grumpymort said:
More nonsense from you and showing you have no understanding how the peer review process even works.

overwhelming evidence you claim so provide it o right you can't because it's made up models to suite agendas and then people who have the same invested interest review it claiming its solid science without even doing any science.
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Total bs. If you truly believe that scientists devoted to finding the truth would allow themselves to be manipulated in the way you suggest you are nuts. I knew one of them and she held the highest ethics of anyone I have ever met. Her understanding of the data was amazing. Different, unrelated, research teams all over the world reached conclusions that means such a consensus became established that man made global warming is now regarded as a fact. Many of those teams reviewed each others work to both look for weaknesses and to improve their own methodology.

There’s nothing made up involved. You might want it to be untrue. You might not want to face the consequences of it being true. Neither though stop it being true, because it is.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Total bs. If you truly believe that scientists devoted to finding the truth would allow themselves to be manipulated in the way you suggest you are nuts. I knew one of them and she held the highest ethics of anyone I have ever met. Her understanding of the data was amazing. Different, unrelated, research teams all over the world reached conclusions that means such a consensus became established that man made global warming is now regarded as a fact. Many of those teams reviewed each others work to both look for weaknesses and to improve their own methodology.

There’s nothing made up involved. You might want it to be untrue. You might not want to face the consequences of it being true. Neither though stop it being true, because it is.
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Who said man wasn’t creating any global change. How much is the question. It’s probably so negligible as to be measured with many more noughts than is imagined.
 
cryrst said:
Who said man wasn’t creating any global change. How much is the question. It’s probably so negligible as to be measured with many more noughts than is imagined.
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Some deny it completely.

That the precise outcome cannot be accurately predicted is completely obvious. It will be impacted by a variety of events as yet unknown, not least how much it is mitigated by our efforts to reduce it. It will also vary from continent to continent. That’s why a range of possibilities are always stated.

It won’t though be “negligible” unless we do something really remarkable and that seems impossible. Non of the estimates that I have seen put the minimum impact as negligible. There is enough already in the system to deny that as an outcome.
 
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