The Brexit thread

Wisbech Eagle said:
Whenever I travel anywhere in Europe these days I am inevitably struck by how much better off and contented the average person seems. If that’s the result of not thinking then perhaps we ought to reinstall some of those who have let us down in the past.
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I think a lot depends on where you’re travelling and why. I’ve travelled extensively for work over the past couple of years, including in Germany and France, and I’ve spent time in some of the rougher areas. As with anywhere, if you visit the French Riviera or Monaco, most people will appear fairly content. Go instead to some of the more deprived areas, parts of Montpellier, for example and you’ll find a decidedly unhappy undercurrent.

There’s also an obvious selection bias. If you’re travelling for work, most of the people you encounter will, by definition, have jobs. If you’re travelling as a tourist, I’m guessing you’re not booking Trotters’ Ethnic Tours for a day out in Croydon. You generally see the more attractive and prosperous side of a country, rather than a representative sample of how the average person actually lives.
 
Iceland to join the EU and to become a hellhole in only 3 years. My prediction.

The Icelandic language is the closest living language to the Old Norse of the Vikings. They can quickly say goodbye to that. Soon headed off to the same museum-cabinet as Romansh, Irish, Doric, Cockney, Maltese, and Breton.
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
Iceland to join the EU and to become a hellhole in only 3 years. My prediction.

The Icelandic language is the closest living language to the Old Norse of the Vikings. They can quickly say goodbye to that. Soon headed off to the same museum-cabinet as Romansh, Irish, Doric, Cockney, Maltese, and Breton.
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I'm really surprised Iceland want anything to do with a common fisheries policy
 
Stirlingsays said:
Iceland votes to reject EU membership.
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Woo-Hoo. I now predict Brussels will start to bully them with economic, financial, & Passport restrictions.

Brussels wants to gobble up as much territory as possible. Turkey ? Morocco ? Belorussia, the Balkans, ....and probably wants to get back into Scotland through the Independence back-door.

Well following the vote in Iceland, the cost of fire-insurance for their Churches will remain cheap
 
georgenorman said:
Still a rejection of the EU, just as it is rejected practically every time people are actually allowed to have a say.
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Apparently No means Yes or Maybe according to the BBC

"Equally, the No vote does not rule out the chance of Iceland resuming talks in the future."

So the people of Iceland will keep getting referendums until they get the answer right. this was their second NO.

I can see why the EU want them to join:

- Prosperous country unlike most other current applicants. The Icelandic's would likely be putting money in not taking it out.

- Access to their fishing waters which the Spanish and French amongst others would love

- Small population so freedom of movement would not be a problem (tens of thousands of Icelandic people would not be looking for jobs in Europe).

- The territory would expand the reach of the EU which the globalists would love.

And what's in it for the people of Iceland?

Err, um I'll let other put that case.
 
Badger11 said:
Apparently No means Yes or Maybe according to the BBC

"Equally, the No vote does not rule out the chance of Iceland resuming talks in the future."

So the people of Iceland will keep getting referendums until they get the answer right. this was their second NO.

I can see why the EU want them to join:

- Prosperous country unlike most other current applicants. The Icelandic's would likely be putting money in not taking it out.

- Access to their fishing waters which the Spanish and French amongst others would love

- Small population so freedom of movement would not be a problem (tens of thousands of Icelandic people would not be looking for jobs in Europe).

- The territory would expand the reach of the EU which the globalists would love.

And what's in it for the people of Iceland?

Err, um I'll let other put that case.
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The main class who want it are the business lobby and the political class who want access to the Brussels gravy train.

A whole class of average to below average politicians given money and power far beyond their competence.
 
Iceland are in Schengen and the Single Market, they just dont want to be part of the EU admin/government. Seems like a good compromise, same as Norway. Get the economic benefits of free trade, free movement (so their citizens can spend longer than 90 days in Spain etc, work/retire to somewhere hot without visa issues) and without the added buearocracy of the EU parliament.
 
There is a UK-EU summit on 20th November, so AB has five weeks to put everything together with them.

I read the Mirror poll today, 70% would rejoin against 30% from 2500 votes polled.

I don't think anyone is looking forward to another referendum with all the division and uncertainty.

There has to be a democratic mandate however.

I wouldn't be surprised to see rejoining as number one policy in a labour manifesto at an early general election, the boxes by then having pretty well been ticked.

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steeleye20 said:
I don't think anyone is looking forward to another referendum with all the division and uncertainty.
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wanna bet ? i hope all hell breaks loose and it turns into an acrimonious sh1t.fest. Cos that's what the EU and remainers deserve.

And anyway the EU is already a dying animal. Joining that would be like getting a blood transfusion from a scabby donkey.

 
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steeleye20 said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see rejoining as number one policy in a labour manifesto at an early general election, the boxes by then having pretty well been ticked.

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A week ago, I would have probably agreed. But polling seems to point towards the Burnham 'bounce' fading and the Tories making a comeback.

Plus the latest IMF predictions. Actually making a strong case for Britain doing better on the outside of the EU (of course you can spin that but the reality is we have done better than both France and Germany since leaving).

It's certainly a dilemma for Burnham. I agree with the manifesto part but its a question of when. Reform are down but not out, and with a resurgent Tory party...

The EU rejoin policy only really works with a Lib-Dem pact so that their vote swings behind it. Which I am not sure Burnham can sell to the wider membership.

For me, the fly in the onitment is the Greens. Clearly a leadership struggle going on. And not convinced a Muslim dominated Green Party would actually be as a Pro-EU as people might think, for a variety of reasons...

Definitely Rejoin is back on the table, but the cards not necessarily easy to play.
 
georgenorman said:
Can anyone give one good reason for going back into the EU?
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The fact that the Far-Right are really doing well. We could potentially have the AfD running Germany and the National Rally running France. Along with the potential of VOX in Spain. And whilst I accept that Meloni has been a bit of a disappointment, its still a nominally Far-Right party in charge. This is the Europe I could really get behind.
 
Tim Gypsy Hill '64 said:
The Knob of the North saying it was Russia that did it.
Clown 🤣
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That was bloody weird. Firstly, it was all about Russia doing it. Then they said Russia failed. Which means Russia was actually for Remain?

When Burnham crashes and burns, I suspect this will be soon as the first sign.
 
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