The bbc, again.

The BBC is not as popular as it thinks.

Same as RTE here. Tons of people now hate them for being woker than woke - and a ton of money scandals. Some citizens are refusing to pay the License fee. So, The government wrote RTE a cheque for 750 million. A massive bribe for a small country.
So you can clearly see who your TV company is really working for.

Paid for Propaganda.....with or without a license fee. Its your taxes either way.
 
Let’s just step back and consider what really led up to the threat from Trump to sue the BBC for defamation.

An independent programme maker produced a Panorama hour long special entitled “Trump: a second chance”, which examined why the US electorate were prepared to consider a recently convicted felon becoming their President again. It was made for the UK audience and aired here shortly before the vote in the USA. So far as we know it wasn’t broadcast either before, or after, the election in the USA.

Two separate clips from the speech Trump gave to the crowd at the Ellipse, as they prepared to march to the Capitol at his behest, were spliced together. That 11 second part of the programme, considered on its own, is misleading. Something that was raised by one member of the BBC committee that reviews content but rejected as irrelevant in the overall context by the majority. That person, concerned about other issues too, wrote a long memo to the BBC Board. He got no rely so then sent it to the Daily Telegraph pushing his own opinion out into the open.

The BBC were asked by Ofcom to review the complaints, which they have and made a number of changes. On the Panorama edit they accepted it was an error not to identify that the clips weren’t contemporaneous and apologised, two executives resigning as a consequence.

Trump has jumped on this, no doubt encouraged by his UK friends, and threatened legal action of the type he has used against others. Is this justified?

How many people would have watched just that 11 second segment? I venture, none at all. Most would have watched the whole programme, the rest enough to understand the arguments being made. Nobody saw it in the USA. Anyone extracting just the spliced clips and posting them on the internet to make a political point are themselves responsible. Not the BBC. They could just as easily edit the original speech themselves! Politically motivated extracts which distort a speaker’s meaning are all over the internet.

So how has Trump been defamed? No US voter could have seen the whole programme, which neither defamed him, nor is the subject of a complaint. No UK viewer is likely to have seen just the spliced clips. Something supported by the fact that no one seems to have noticed them, or complained about them, other than Mr Prescott, until he made his observations public. Including all the right wing press and posters here.

That has to be because the role Trump played in the storming of the Capitol is on record. All that 11 second clip did was reference it. It was never intended to be viewed and considered in isolation and wasn’t.

So my conclusion is he has not been defamed in any way. That won’t stop the threats because of the publicity they generate but imagine if he really went to Court. Not only would the claim be shown to be absurd, it would mean all the dirty washing of the Capitol riot being publicly aired again. Lose, lose.

So I think the BBC will stand firm and keep quiet. Trump may try to claim the moral high ground by offering to magnanimously withdraw because of his “special” relationship with the UK whilst warning the BBC to mend their ways and banning them from the White House.,
 
I am one on here who has been highly critical of the BBC on many subjects. However, not once have I said I hated them. In fact we spend most evenings binge watching many of their box sets, many of which are very good. Some dramas are well made, despite the DEI involvement.
Having said that, there really is no excuse for a National Broadcaster to have behaved the way they have on this subject and their coverage of Gaza and Trans issues. Personally I would like the licence fee to be cancelled and make the BBC become an independent entity, then they can broadcast what they like in anyway they like, just not making me pay for it.
Far too many want to conflate the BBC with other broadcasters, especially commercial ones.

The BBC isn’t just any old broadcaster. It’s independent of both government and commercial influence for the greatest of all reasons. It can approach everything free of outside interference and influence.

That some don’t like the result of that, whether they are on the right or the left, must never distract from that fundamental point. They are independent. It’s vital for democracy that they remain so.

Something as important to our democracy as the BBC must be paid for by all of us, whether we watch it or not.

You aren’t paying to view. You are protecting our freedoms.
 
Far too many want to conflate the BBC with other broadcasters, especially commercial ones.

The BBC isn’t just any old broadcaster. It’s independent of both government and commercial influence for the greatest of all reasons. It can approach everything free of outside interference and influence.

That some don’t like the result of that, whether they are on the right or the left, must never distract from that fundamental point. They are independent. It’s vital for democracy that they remain so.

Something as important to our democracy as the BBC must be paid for by all of us, whether we watch it or not.

You aren’t paying to view. You are protecting our freedoms.
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Just a reminder here....the BBC are not the victim here. They are the ones who lied about President Trump who is the victim of an atrocious attack of lies and misinformation designed to interfere with an election.

Also..."A TV licence is required if you watch or record live TV on any channel, or if you use BBC iPlayer, regardless of whether you watch the BBC or not"

So simply not watching the BBC does not mean I don't have to get a tv licence 🤷🏻‍♂️
I know all of that. It’s done for very good reasons, even if you either don’t understand them or agree with them.

You can stop watching all live TV if you wish. No one forces you to watch it.
 
Spot on. This line of attack from the Establishment is that the British People will somehow be up in arms because of Trump suing their precious BBS. Pre-Brexit maybe but not now. People would gladly be free of the licence fee and suspect many have little love left for it.
Trump suing the BBS would be extraordinary. He can sue them too lol.
 
Trump suing the BBS would be extraordinary. He can sue them too lol.


Lol. A telling error on my part.

To be fair, the BBS is much like the BBC in that its a sadly defunct brand, trading off past glories and a shadow of its former self. Time for it to go as well.
 
Lol. A telling error on my part.

To be fair, the BBS is much like the BBC in that its a sadly defunct brand, trading off past glories and a shadow of its former self. Time for it to go as well.
It doesn’t represent the fan base either.
 
I know all of that. It’s done for very good reasons, even if you either don’t understand them or agree with them.

You can stop watching all live TV if you wish. No one forces you to watch it.
But you are forced to pay the BBC if you do. Keep cheering them on because it's amusing that you can't see how they're mugging you off.
Leaving aside the Trump "editing", the Gaza reporting for which they were criticised and the Savile/Harris/Hall/Edwards exposes is there a single thing for which you would accept criticism of the BBC?
Obviously being lied to and them protecting child molesters don't count.
 
If he does sue it will be in Florida and the claim will be under US law. Given the Wild West nature of American media there has to be a strong chance the court finds against him as it could create quite an unhelpful precedent going forwards. In fact the reason why a lot of celebrities sue in London, is because our defamation laws are considered softer.
 
What are the good reasons?
You know them as well as I do. You just don’t value them as I do.

Freedom from political and commercial interference being the most important. Maintaining our worldwide reputation for fearless reporting of the truth to people starved of it is another.

These are priceless assets which we all ought to be defending. Not undermining at every opportunity. We must all pay for it too, in a way ring fenced from government. A task I trust the government will take very seriously in the next review. We must ensure no political party, Reform included, is allowed to mute the BBC.
 
You know them as well as I do. You just don’t value them as I do.

Freedom from political and commercial interference being the most important. Maintaining our worldwide reputation for fearless reporting of the truth to people starved of it is another.

These are priceless assets which we all ought to be defending. Not undermining at every opportunity. We must all pay for it too, in a way ring fenced from government. A task I trust the government will take very seriously in the next review. We must ensure no political party, Reform included, is allowed to mute the BBC.
Even though the flagship news programme about the US president wasn't aired in the USA.
Fearless reporting like falsifying bank documents to secure an interview. How admirable.
 
But you are forced to pay the BBC if you do. Keep cheering them on because it's amusing that you can't see how they're mugging you off.
Leaving aside the Trump "editing", the Gaza reporting for which they were criticised and the Savile/Harris/Hall/Edwards exposes is there a single thing for which you would accept criticism of the BBC?
Obviously being lied to and them protecting child molesters don't count.
They aren’t mugging anyone off! What nonsense.

There is a logical and perfectly valid explanation for every one of those “criticisms”. As you know and have heard many times. Yet they keep being dusted off and hurled again. It’s a huge organisation, under constant scrutiny. Given that attention it’s doing remarkably well.

My criticism is that they are too passive in rebutting some of the attacks. I would like to see them on the front foot more often. Demanding apologies and suing for damages, rather than just letting things ride.
 
They aren’t mugging anyone off! What nonsense.

There is a logical and perfectly valid explanation for every one of those “criticisms”. As you know and have heard many times. Yet they keep being dusted off and hurled again. It’s a huge organisation, under constant scrutiny. Given that attention it’s doing remarkably well.

My criticism is that they are too passive in rebutting some of the attacks. I would like to see them on the front foot more often. Demanding apologies and suing for damages, rather than just letting things ride.
The fact that you insist on defending them at every turn, even when they've covered up for child molesters, means they've mugged you off. And you can't see it. So...most amusing.
 
Even though the flagship news programme about the US president wasn't aired in the USA.
Fearless reporting like falsifying bank documents to secure an interview. How admirable.
That was one journalist going too far to try to obtain a story he passionately believed was in the public interest. Something many journalists have done. Not always on genuine public interest stories either. The BBC’s error was made by the individual who decided to keep the false documents secret. When it became known higher up the BBC swift action followed.

This kind of thing happens with investigative journalism. Getting your hands dirty whilst you dig for the truth isn’t unusual. What is unusual is that the high standards at the BBC don’t allow such things to remain buried.
 

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