Sage in or out

Sage in or out

  • In

    Votes: 88 37.6%
  • Out

    Votes: 111 47.4%
  • Sit on the fence

    Votes: 35 15.0%

  • Total voters
    234
The league cup game would be a good chance for Sage to try a different formation and tactics. Most of us don't care if we go out, so it would give him the chance to try something different ahead of our next PL game. If he continues to deploy the same system and it continues to get exposed, then even more patient fans like me will be reaching for the eject button.
 
Sage is so far out of his depth that you might as well stick me in charge of the first team. The French league is overall much easier and if you leave spaces like we do at the moment, teams will just walk through you, which is exactly what they are doing.
Even leaving the flawed tactics aside, the players don't seem to know where they are meant to be and are under constant pressure.

Has anybody got Roy's number?
 
Sage is so far out of his depth that you might as well stick me in charge of the first team. The French league is overall much easier and if you leave spaces like we do at the moment, teams will just walk through you, which is exactly what they are doing.
Even leaving the flawed tactics aside, the players don't seem to know where thay are meant to be and are under constant pressure.

Has anybody got Roy's number?
Roy's busy toasting marshmallows and not picking up the phone.
 
Its all about the System, if you play with the 3-4-2-1 you basically have 3 defenders not 5, the WBs are not defenders, so you need at least 9 players to cover a system that doesn't work, if you play with a back 4, you have 4 defenders, a centre back with pace can be a FB because defending is his only priority and you only need 6/7 players, Canvot, Richards, Disasi and Mitchell as a unit is far better than any 3 CDs playing as a unit, which then gives you 3 for CM, it really is that simple, Arsenal, Man city, Bayern Munich, PSG, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc, all play a back 4 for a reason.
I agree entirely. Why play three lumps at the back when you only need two with a full back either side.
 
I agree with you he has never looked like a good fit for the situation we were in and the players we have.

However, when did it become impossible for managers to adapt to circumstances? What’s all this “he has one system so can’t change”? A good manager should be capable of changing to suit what the circumstances need. It is quite literally their job to get results and put in place set ups to achieve this. The ‘system manager’ is one thing that really irks me in modern football. To me a manager who won’t change is either arrogant, incompetent or both
I think you are right, he should be able to adapt being a professional footballe coach however he has a very limited pre season with the senior players due to international commitments, some were sold just before the start of the season and it's a lot to unravel with 8 games played in the league.
He's not super human.
 
Well it's their fault then.
One can imagine the course of Sage's interview:
SP: " Well Pierre, you don't mind me calling you Pierre? You can call me Steve. Now let me know the key to your success at Lens if you may".
PS: Well Steve, the essence of it is that every player dashes forward, the wing backs play high up the pitch, and we aim to score more goals than the opposition".
SP: "Sounds awesome, just what we are looking for. And you like to play 3 at the back?"
PS: "Yes, and I like them to play out from the back too".
SP: "Fantastic, you're hired!"
 
2 defeats this week and I think that has to be it. The only reason he was hired is because he plays 3 at the back and is European. Parish was just trying to find a shoe in for Glasner.
 
I think treading water would be a good outcome this season. I’d have been happy with a few quiet years, consolidating in the PL, living off our cup successes. But of course this is the Palace rollercoaster and it’s either very very good or very very (insert word of your choice)
hardly. 13 consecutive years of finishing between 10th and 15th
 
hardly. 13 consecutive years of finishing between 10th and 15th
Yes, but remember how we've gone about it in those 13 years. 2017/18 the FdB fiasco and no goals or points at all in the first 7 games before an totally unexpected win against the reigning league champions (who we haven't been able to beat since). it took a long time that season tom recover but we managed somehow to finish 11th. The rollercoaster of the Pardew years. Salvation under Pulis etc. The end result looks like we've had 13 boring years finishing between 10th and 15th. Nothing is further from the truth.
 
I'm not sure there is too much 'fault' to go round here, necessarily.

We know that we only get our hands on the better young players on the basis they will be sold upwards if they do well. Nobody at Palace is responsible for the state of football, they just have to play along. We were always going to come to an end of the positive cycle, and it was always going to be hard to repeat that level of luck/success with new signings. There is no failure in Palace not being able to keep the FA Cup team together, or replace them like for like.

The signings of Johnson and Larsen have been catastrophes, but to be fair, not many of us were moaning about Johnson or his price when we got him, and a good many of us wanted the club to reinvest the profits from big sales into established senior players rather than young hopefuls. To pay the market rate. To not be tight. To support Glasner in his attempts to win in Europe. That's what they tried to do. It failed, but it wasn't mental.

We don't know why La Croix and Munoz were sold, but we do know that UEFA FFP is very tight, that we qualified for Europe again (which was not to be presumed at the point of earlier financial planning) and that someone like Parish isn't going to weaken the team through choice or carelessness. There will be a reason for those sales. Whether another approach could have been taken instead or not, again, it wasn't mental.

In terms of replacements, I was one of those summer moaners complaining that the squad looked deeper but the team looked weaker. That seems to have been proven true (to date, at least). Still, it seems essential for Palace to buy young hopefuls like Gozo, Osario, Khalili and so on (none of whom obviously strengthen the team here and now) if we hope to have any transfer budget in coming windows. We can't stop the process of buying young hopefuls just because the last batch flopped. If anything, it makes it more essential. Personally, I would have focused that money on a couple more senior pros with less sell-on value, but I do understand why Palace do it the way they do.

We didn’t get good enough established senior players in the summer, especially at the back, but we don’t know who was actually available, whether they would actually join us, or whether we could afford them. It is possible that it all makes perfect sense if you know the details, which we don’t.

Finally, I doubt Sage was appointed just because he plays a 343. Let's not forget, he was coach of the year in France and took Lens to second place. Personally, I don't think you needed a crystal ball to question whether, given his lack of experience and apparent tactical approach, he was the right man for us at the time, but we had just won three trophies in a year and were going into the Europa League for the first time. I could understand it if Parish wanted a positive appointment to keep momentum going. At the time, we would all have cried and wailed if he'd gone with a safe pair of hands instead.

They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think, at least, the road to being in a pickle is often paved with decisions that only seem wrong in hindsight, but were reasonable enough at the time. None of that matters now. What matters is whether the current arrangement is likely to work given reasonable time and support and, if not, how most effectively and efficiently to change it.

We all know that only means one thing, and it's not about whether it’s fair on Sage.
 
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Sage comes across as a nice guy,problem is being a nice guy is no good in the PL which is a million miles away from the French league. Need some one with a bit of grit and PL know how to get us out of trouble
Feel a bit sorry for him but he is out of his depth and is not up to the job as his tactics have shown.
Think Dyche for a season would be my pick just to steady the ship and keep us up whike we spend time to find a permanent coach. Plus if he does a good job maybe keep him on
 
I'm not sure there is too much 'fault' to go round here, necessarily.

We know that we only get our hands on the better young players on the basis they will be sold upwards if they do well. Nobody at Palace is responsible for the state of football, they just have to play along. We were always going to come to an end of the positive cycle, and it was always going to be hard to repeat that level of luck/success with new signings. There is no failure in Palace not being able to keep the FA Cup team together, or replacing them like for like.

The signings of Johnson and Larsen have been catastrophes, but to be fair, not many of us were moaning about Johnson or his price when we got him, and a good many of us wanted the club to reinvest the profits from big sales into established senior players rather than young hopefuls. To pay the market rate. To not be tight. To support Glasner in his attempts to win in Europe. That's what they tried to do. It failed, but it wasn't mental.

We don't know why La Croix and Munoz were sold, but we do know that UEFA FFP is very tight, that we qualified for Europe again (which was not to be presumed at the point of earlier financial planning) and that someone like Parish isn't going to weaken the team through choice or carelessness. There will be a reason for those sales. Whether another approach could have been taken instead or not, again, it wasn't mental.

In terms of replacements, I was one of those summer moaners complaining that the squad looked deeper but the team looked weaker. That seems to have been proven true (to date, at least). Still, it seems essential for Palace to buy young hopefuls like Gozo, Osario, Khalili and so on (none of whom obviously strengthen the team here and now) if we hope to have any transfer budget in coming windows. We can't stop the process of buying young hopefuls just because the last batch flopped. If anything, it makes it more essential. Personally, I would have focused that money on a couple more senior pros with less sell-on value, but I do understand why Palace do it the way they do.

We didn’t get good enough established senior players in the summer, especially at the back, but we don’t know who was actually available, whether they would actually join us, or whether we could afford them. It is possible that it all makes perfect sense if you know the details, which we don’t.

Finally, I doubt Sage was appointed just because he plays a 343. Let's not forget, he was coach of the year in France and took Lens to second place. Personally, I don't think you needed a crystal ball to question whether, given his lack of experience and apparent tactical approach, he was the right man for us at the time, but we had just won three trophies in a year and were going into the Europa League for the first time. I could understand it if Parish wanted a positive appointment to keep momentum going. At the time, we would all have cried and wailed if he'd gone with a safe pair of hands instead.

They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think, at least, the road to being in a pickle is often paved with decisions that only seem wrong in hindsight, but were reasonable enough at the time. None of that matters now. What matters is whether the current arrangement is likely to work given reasonable time and support and, if not, how most effectively and efficiently to change it.

We all know that only means one thing, and it's not about whether it’s fair on Sage.
A very fair assessment.
 
Regardless of the how and the why, surely the only question is whether Sage can get us winning consistently.

A good manager improves players, improves the team. Our defence has lost better players (although Lacroix has been largely awful at Chelsea) than we had, but so what? Is it any worse than other defences in the bottom half of the prem? I don't think so.

The team simply isn't picking up runners, or blocking/intercepting passes enough.

Ability is a part of it, but only a few players can read the game well enough. The rest has to be coaching and tactics. And that is on the manager.

So does Sage need time, or is he just not good enough for the prem? It looks like the latter at the moment. Our squad, while weaker than recent seasons, is still plenty good enough.
 
Looking at getting some of these maybe 10k to start with to sell outside selhurst so fans get nice and comfortable. So people can have good sleep while he is in charge during game
 

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