Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock

[Spindle]

"RAP music was/is essentially the expression of black male gangs....it developed off shoots (pun not intended) as you'd expect, but that's at its heart".
"Rap only became as big as it is because the labels ditched rock bands for rap in about 1999".
Both these statements are totally incorrect... Early Hip Hop was nothing to do with Gangs..

The first Popular Rap song was "Rappers Delight" Done over a sample of Good Times by Chic of Nile Rodgers fame. Nothing to do with gangs.

Rap and Hip Hop are too different things, Rap being rhyming over a track and Hip Hop being a cultural movement and expression with "peace, unity, and having fun" at its heart and incorporated, Music, Art and fashion. If you listen to early Hip Hop it had nothing to do with gangs.

Early Hip Hop in this country had similar roots. The first UK rapper to appear on T.V. actually appeared on Blue Peter and the first artists also had a very different message to what came later. Artists Like MC Mell'O with tracks like "Open Up Your Mind" and "Subtraction".

Gangster Rap came later when Major labels pumped millions in rap music to promote a very different message of gangs and drugs and gave rise to Groups like NWA .. They largely succeeded in subverting the message and where able to sell millions of records to young white children pushing their version of Hip Hop into the mainstream.

I was never into Hip Hop in its early days being into to soul, pop, reggae a bit of punk and rock, pretty much most music I saw on Top of the Pops but my knowledge of early Hip Hop came about as I know a lot of those early artists to this day and gangs just didn't come into it..

You say I'm incorrect, then completely ratify what I said. I didn't mention hip hop, I said rap. Hip hop was 80s, NWA was pushed mainstream mid 90s, and by 1999 it was the end of rock bands. I also said it killed decent black music, which hip hop began.

"Three, is the magic number" is totally different to "f*** da po-lice"

 

[Spindle]

Rock is dead . . . nah. Last Thursday(12th) Deep Purple performed at Jones Beach in New York, remaining members were Ian Paice(drums), Roger Glover(bass) & Ian Gillan(vocals). At the encore stage, Ritchie Blackmore joined the band for 'Smoke On The Water'. These guys are between 78 - 81 years of age . . .

Watch Ritchie Blackmore perform with Deep Purple for first time in 33 years

Ritchie Blackmore joined Deep Purple on stage for the first time in more than three decades last night in New York

www.nme.com

Are they a new band? No. Exactly my point, this is what the kids have, they don't have their own.

 

[Cucking Funt]

Rick music died with Live Aid, the day it ceased to be a vehicle for rebellion and became the bland corporate juggernaut we see today.

 

[McAhuna]

Totally off topic. And these are edge cases, aren't they. I also don't think it's all that good anyway.

As for the rapper, just reminds me of Michael Jackson rehearsing with a new guitarist and she gets a lecture on song structure from him because she played the wrong part. All the comments were about his musical genius - FO, he is the singer and knows only the song structure, the musicians work out EVERYTHING ELSE. Do you think he knows what key it's in?

You started the thread and made the opening two posts, both of which discussed Rap music.

But ye ...off-topic 🙄

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's true....I never really moved much past the 60s and early 80s.

A dinosaur.

In so many ways.

Better watch out for meteors! Persied might yet contain an undetected late surprise!

 

[Mr Palaceman]

You say I'm incorrect, then completely ratify what I said. I didn't mention hip hop, I said rap. Hip hop was 80s, NWA was pushed mainstream mid 90s, and by 1999 it was the end of rock bands. I also said it killed decent black music, which hip hop began.

"Three, is the magic number" is totally different to "f*** da po-lice"

I should clarify, you stated "Rap only became big"... That's the bit I was referring to. You were right about about how about certain types of Hip Hop were pushed it relation to other types of music and I did ratify what you said. Your right about that. I was actually going to mention the likes of Dela Soul also but my posts are always too long, so I cut it short... Short for me that is...

 

[Badger11]

Some of the comments on this thread are criticising Rap as a genre. This is a matter of person taste, I still maintain that artists can succeed if the public care about them and today there are far more routes available to get your music out there.

It is true that the dinosaur rock bands are still around but so what, if their fans have grown old with them and still want to listen to them all power to them.

There will always be artists who claim that they don't get their share of media coverage hence my comments about minority sports.

My guess is that today's youngsters are just not that bothered about rock. If they choose to listen to bland acts so be it.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Rock will never die, the music of choice for many 40+ music lovers, it doesn’t matter if it is new, it is it good, Mozart has been dead for 350 years and is still popular with some.

 

[DanH]

There’s plenty of good guitar bands about these days. Fontaines DC probably headlining Glastonbury next year. Wolf Alice probably not too far behind. Geese have released one of the best rock and roll albums of the last 10 years m.

Music just evolves along with culture. There are more festivals and more demand for live music than ever. There’s a problem at grassroots with there being fewer venues and accessible cheap rehearsing spaces for the next generation to come through. Plus being an ‘emerging artist’ isn’t a career path now. You need a shed load of money behind you (or more likely a parent in the industry) to even get a break.

 

[Mr Palaceman]

There’s plenty of good guitar bands about these days. Fontaines DC probably headlining Glastonbury next year. Wolf Alice probably not too far behind. Geese have released one of the best rock and roll albums of the last 10 years m.

Music just evolves along with culture. There are more festivals and more demand for live music than ever. There’s a problem at grassroots with there being fewer venues and accessible cheap rehearsing spaces for the next generation to come through. Plus being an ‘emerging artist’ isn’t a career path now. You need a shed load of money behind you (or more likely a parent in the industry) to even get a break.

You've been watching Rick Beato.. 😀

 

[Badger11]

There’s plenty of good guitar bands about these days. Fontaines DC probably headlining Glastonbury next year. Wolf Alice probably not too far behind. Geese have released one of the best rock and roll albums of the last 10 years m.

Music just evolves along with culture. There are more festivals and more demand for live music than ever. There’s a problem at grassroots with there being fewer venues and accessible cheap rehearsing spaces for the next generation to come through. Plus being an ‘emerging artist’ isn’t a career path now. You need a shed load of money behind you (or more likely a parent in the industry) to even get a break.

Exactly. Rock will not die but for the moment it is not the genre that the young are interested in.

 

[Spindle]

You started the thread and made the opening two posts, both of which discussed Rap music.

But ye ...off-topic 🙄

Yeah, this was never about your opinion of how great rap really is with a bunch of samples to try and convince us. Rap never will be singing nor musical, it's a poem read in a style that barely changes, and often uses sampling of actual music from known successful songs to compensate for it's fire lack of variety

 

[Spindle]

My guess is that today's youngsters are just not that bothered about rock. If they choose to listen to bland acts so be it.

Your guess is wrong. They've had their option removed, and it was done by the labels. As I said, there's still a huge desire for rock, and tbh I think part of the reasons for the success of variety of source is because the labels removed it from their mainstream

 

[Spindle]

There’s plenty of good guitar bands about these days. Fontaines DC probably headlining Glastonbury next year. Wolf Alice probably not too far behind. Geese have released one of the best rock and roll albums of the last 10 years m.

Music just evolves along with culture. There are more festivals and more demand for live music than ever. There’s a problem at grassroots with there being fewer venues and accessible cheap rehearsing spaces for the next generation to come through. Plus being an ‘emerging artist’ isn’t a career path now. You need a shed load of money behind you (or more likely a parent in the industry) to even get a break.

Isn't that my point? They are not promoted. Only solo artists are made global

 

[Spindle]

Exactly. Rock will not die but for the moment it is not the genre that the young are interested in.

Utter bullshit.

 

[McAhuna]

Utter bullshit.

Calm down dear

 

[McAhuna]

Starts thread.
Opens with mildly racist line that black children can't read or write. Then decides his thread is actually about rock music.

Randomly abuses almost everyone who responds, even where they are politely discussing music.

Someone check the guy's meds

 

[eritheagle]

Those good tunes are 90% of the time because a musician has put in a hook that works, and that's the bit you like. Rap is unrelatable to most listeners too in subject matter. How many listeners "connect" to the storyline of gangs, street violence and slang, whores, hatred and glorification of murder.

Rap encourages bad behaviour as 'cool', it also ruined black music which was fantastic.

I can't stand it when they put a classic song's rif or chorus in a rap song and then that's why people like it.

I remember p diddy saying he was struggling to write a song for godzilla and then he heard kashmir by led zep playing and he had inspiration.

Yeah, you knicked their tune and then put a sh1t rap over the top of it!!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I can't stand it when they put a classic song's rif or chorus in a rap song and then that's why people like it.

I remember p diddy saying he was struggling to write a song for godzilla and then he heard kashmir by led zep playing and he had inspiration.

Yeah, you knicked their tune and then put a sh1t rap over the top of it!!

To be fair though Zep nicked enough of Willie Dixon's music in their time.

 

[Spindle]

Starts thread.
Opens with mildly racist line that black children can't read or write. Then decides his thread is actually about rock music.

Randomly abuses almost everyone who responds, even where they are politely discussing music.

Someone check the guy's meds

Sterling posted that just saying

Fancy playing the race card though, embarrassing