Restore Britain.

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reform UK deputy leader in Cornwall defects to Restore Britain

Cllr Roger Tarrant cites 'complete disarray' within the party for his move. A Reform UK insider in Cornwall denies that's the case.

www.cornwalllive.com

Cornwall councillor joins restore....

Absolutely crazy. It's like the right want to sabotage the first real chance they have had for power.

Rupert Lowe wants to save this country. His could actually hand power back to the Left.
It's the difference between ideals and pragmatism. The right need power before they can do anything, or they will just be complaining from the sidelines for another 5 years.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Absolutely crazy. It's like the right want to sabotage the first real chance they have had for power.

Rupert Lowe wants to save this country. His could actually hand power back to the Left.
It's the difference between ideals and pragmatism. The right need power before they can do anything, or they will just be complaining from the sidelines for another 5 years.

The same applies to every political party. Something I have frequently argued here. Extreme politics, from either the left or the right, will never command enough support to be in power long enough to actually do anything.

It’s why occupying the centre is vital. To do that you must reach compromises and look for partners who share more than they disagree about. Labour isn’t truly left these days. They are centre left for pragmatic reasons, having been handed power by the disastrous last Tory government. Who in opposition have not yet learned the lesson and seem determined to commit suicide. Only when the Tories stop trying to imitate Reform and establish themselves as a centre right party with the morality of the Lib Dems and Labour but with fiscal responsibility as a red line, will they stand a chance again. Them coming out, admitting Brexit was a huge error and committing to reversing it would be both revolutionary and hugely attractive to many.

That would dump the right for good, but recapture most of the last Labour vote.

 

[Spindle]

 

[Stirlingsays]

Absolutely crazy. It's like the right want to sabotage the first real chance they have had for power.

Rupert Lowe wants to save this country. His could actually hand power back to the Left.
It's the difference between ideals and pragmatism. The right need power before they can do anything, or they will just be complaining from the sidelines for another 5 years.

This argument was made against Reform when they started against the Tories.

It doesn't matter until election year.

Farage let Hope Not Hate vet his candidates and kicked out anyone who spoke their mind.....You and me would never be allowed to stand for example.....So imagine the types who are.

Let them fight.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

This argument was made against Reform when they started against the Tories.

It doesn't matter until election year.

Farage let Hope Not Hate vet his candidates and kicked out anyone who spoke their mind.....You and me would never be allowed to stand for example.....So imagine the types who are.

Let them fight.

Sounds like someone who wants to win an election. You don't speak your mind as a politician. You say what gets votes.
I couldn't stand because I loathe politicians in general. I don't want to be one.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sounds like someone who wants to win an election. You don't speak your mind as a politician. You say what gets votes.
I couldn't stand because I loathe politicians in general. I don't want to be one.

Then you might as well vote for Reform.

I won't work with people who hate me.

If all you care about is Brexit and Thatcherism but everything else about the Tory party was fine then Reform is for you.

That's not good enough for me.....Going the same direction as before but five miles an hour slower doesn't cut it for me....I have children who will be here long after I'm gone.

Also If I vote Reform, Farage and all the commentators are going to say, look no one wanted Restore.....That pisses me off.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Then you might as well vote for Reform.

I won't work with people who hate me.

If all you care about is Brexit and Thatcherism but everything else about the Tory party was fine then Reform is for you.

That's not good enough for me.....Going the same direction as before but five miles an hour slower doesn't cut it for me....I have children who will be here long after I'm gone.

Also If I vote Reform, Farage and all the commentators are going to say, look no one wanted Restore.....That pisses me off.

I think we have culture and a system that is so afraid of the far right that only a wooden horse approach will allow even a party as moderately 'far right' as Reform to govern. Once the spell has been broken, we can then think about more far reaching policies.
Trying to knock down the gates with a bettering ram just isn't going to work in a country with so much post WW2 paranoia.

I will vote Reform as the entry level option. If they are Thatcher 2.0 then that is better than the current Conservatives and magnitudes better than the dopey Left.
If they don't pave the way for a radical change of direction then they will be the very best chance to get what you and I want next time. The other option has no chance.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think we have culture and a system that is so afraid of the far right that only a wooden horse approach will allow even a party as moderately 'far right' as Reform to govern. Once the spell has been broken, we can then think about more far reaching policies.
Trying to knock down the gates with a bettering ram just isn't going to work in a country with so much post WW2 paranoia.

I will vote Reform as the entry level option. If they are Thatcher 2.0 then that is better than the current Conservatives and magnitudes better than the dopey Left.
If they don't pave the way for a radical change of direction then they will be the very best chance to get what you and I want next time. The other option has no chance.

Reform just want power, I've seen this a million times. You think they are genuine whereas I see careerists....just looking at who is joining them tells me that. It very much is 'the same again'.

I get what you are saying.....You are all about avoiding the left.

But if you have read my posts over the years and that of Matov, you understand that we don't see Britain lasting economically. It's much more than elections.

Restore for me are about links and bonds with people who will need each other once the sh1t hits the fan. That's how I see it. Restore is more about that than purely winning elections....If that doesn't happen it doesn't change the dynamic.....Farage and Lowe are only here for what?.....A decade.

I've already said that politically when 2029 comes or when an election happens, I will vote practically.

Up until then I know that without Restore that Farage wants to push left and we saw that before Lowe started his party.

I don't trust Farage....As silver implied, once the bankers and city talk to him all the tough stuff on immigration goes out the window.

Same sauce, same salad.

If you want real change.....regardless of whether it's left or on the right.....You need an idealog.