Reform

[Teddy Eagle]

The Titanic would be even more problematic today. No way could you say "women and children first".

The lifebouys would complicate matters too.

 

[Willo]

The lifebouys would complicate matters too.

I prefer 'Imperial Leather'.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I prefer 'Imperial Leather'.

Any favourite whips and chains?

 

[Stirlingsays]

He'd be the one still playing the violin on the Titantic until the last moment 🙂

I'd ask for a rendition of 'Sex Machine' as the last tune.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They might be in the ascendancy in some of the current polls but the Election is 4 years away.Apropos polls, a recent 'YouGov' poll only had Reform in a 3% lead.
Reform are being subjected to scrutiny they have never faced before.
As for us Conservatives we have got to do the hard, serious, grown-up thinking over the next months and years to get together that policy platform that can truly address the big challenges that our country faces, to put to the British people.

Stating the obvious is sometimes necessary.

No party can win outright without capturing at least 326 seats but to do that in our first past the post system depends on how the votes are split. If the Tories contest the same ground as Reform there is likely to be a 4 way split and a high probability of a coalition in 2028. The Tories entering a coalition with Reform would be the final nail in their coffin.

If they contest the central ground with Labour and the Liberals they will hold onto their centre right support whilst draining votes from an unpopular Labour. There is still a high chance of a coalition but also, in my view, a better chance of an outright victory, especially if the right leader can be found. They would survive the experience though, if a coalition is required, and live to fight another day.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Reform, simply do not have real answers to our country’s challenges that’s why their energy policy fell apart after they announced it.
Their policy of no taxes for those earning less than £20,000 would cost nigh on £80 Billion.

Farage today could not answer how much the latest "Non-Dom" plan would cost - He just ridiculed the £34Billion but offered no figure at all.
Farage is trying to be all things to all people, with a plethora of announcements and no thinking behind how he’s going to pay for any of them. He will play whatever tune he thinks appeals to the people but that’s not serious grown-up politics.
Nigel Farage wheels out populist policies left, right and centre, without any real thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.

PR announcements without a policy plan.

It don't even really matter whether Reform know what they are doing or not.

The Tories are just done for this coming election.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The Titanic would be even more problematic today. No way could you say "women and children first".

I'd still insist on 'no fatties'.

Don't want to sink the thing....the fatties can float anyway.

 

[Willo]

It don't even really matter whether Reform know what they are doing or not.

The Tories are just done for this coming election.

In the midst of a 'Policy Renewal Programme' and the General Election is 4 years away.

 

[Stirlingsays]

In the midst of a 'Policy Renewal Programme' and the General Election is 4 years away.

Willo....They lied on immigration in every manifesto since the war. Immigration will be the number one topic for right wingers at the next election....and the Tories don't have a leg to stand on.

You can have the best policies in the world but if the public don't trust the party and leader then it's moot.

The stain of 2010-2024 and that 80 seat majority yet social liberal policies.... isn't going to be wiped out in 4 years.....not when Farage is there.....someone whose time the public....those who won't vote left at least will think his time for a turn has come.

 

[Badger11]

Willo....They lied on immigration in every manifesto since the war. Immigration will be the number one topic for right wingers at the next election....and the Tories don't have a leg to stand on.

You can have the best policies in the world but if the public don't trust the party and leader then it's moot.

The stain of 2010-2024 and that 80 seat majority yet social liberal policies.... isn't going to be wiped out in 4 years.....not when Farage is there.....someone whose time the public....those who won't vote left at least will think his time for a turn has come.

The issue for the Tories is trust. They can change their policies all they want but we had 14 years of Tory lies. The only way the public will trust them again is if they win the next election and keep their promises. But in order to win the election the public need to trust them. Catch 22.

 

[NMPalace]

Apropos the '£34 Billion', at the Press Conference, Farage just laughed and dismissed this amount, yet when asked how much the latest announcement would cost he never provided any answer.

Furthermore the 'No tax for those earning under £20,000' aged well when analysts calculated the cost would amount to nigh on £80 Billion !
None of this is thought through, Reform are trying to be all things to all people with a plethora of announcements and no thinking regards to how this would be funded.Reform play whatever tune they believe appeals to the electorate. No serious thinking and fantasy economics.

I don't Farage and his jump on the bandwagon policies (e.g. reinstate the winter fuel allowance announced just when it is being reintroduced for the majority of pensioners anyway), however, the £20k no tax level makes some sense, but i don't think it was well presented.

Firstly it is essentially increasing the current tax free threshold from £12,570 to £20,000. The current level has been fixed for 4 or 5 years now so it really does need to be increased.

This could be done over a few years rather than as a one off (the bit Farage missed), so maybe to £15k first off and then say up to £20k over the next few years. He should have stated it as an aspiration maybe over the 1st term if his party got into power etc

Increasing the threshold would benefit EVERY UK tax payer, however, those who would benefit the most in percentage terms would be the lowest earners and if a % of people were taken out of the PAYE tax system it would make the admin easier for small businesses.

Most of this policies don't seem to benefit those on low incomes but this one definitely does.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The issue for the Tories is trust. They can change their policies all they want but we had 14 years of Tory lies. The only way the public will trust them again is if they win the next election and keep their promises. But in order to win the election the public need to trust them. Catch 22.

They would have to bring in outsiders as leaders.

Someone who isn't stained by being in their government who is actually right wing and has presence.

Make Rupert Lowe leader when the next seat comes up.

But they won't do it.....because they aren't actually right wing enough.

 

[Willo]

The issue for the Tories is trust. They can change their policies all they want but we had 14 years of Tory lies. The only way the public will trust them again is if they win the next election and keep their promises. But in order to win the election the public need to trust them. Catch 22.

I totally accept that Conservatives lost the trust of the electorate and it will have to be regained which will take time.
In actual fact, making promises and not delivering is exactly the reason that the political class has lost trust.
We can regain it by telling the unvarnished truth on a plethora of issues.
It is up to us Conservatives to build a credible policy platform out of the 'Policy Renewal Programme' and to discredit Reform's fantasy economics and their, popular policies that are wheeled out out left, right and centre, without any thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.

We have got to do the hard, serious, grown-up thinking over the next months and years to get together that policy platform that can truly address the big challenges that our country faces, to put to the British people. This is precisely what is currently in progress.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They would have to bring in outsiders as leaders.

Someone who isn't stained by being in their government who is actually right wing and has presence.

Make Rupert Lowe leader when the next seat comes up.

But they won't do it.....because they aren't actually right wing enough.

Making someone like Lowe leader would promote the Tories as even further to the right than Reform. That would do nothing for them at all. It would just drive them into oblivion.

 

[HKOwen]

This is the third time you have posted this with absolutely nothing to back it up. I have 'done my own research' again like you suggested last time, and ignored me when I pointed out there was nothing in the public sphere to back up what you said, and the only thing I can find is this article.

Opposition questions Reform’s claims that KCC spent thousands on illegal migrants

Claims Kent County Council spent thousands of pounds on trampolining, bowling and trips to the cinema for “illegal migrants” have been rubbished.

www.kentonline.co.uk

They are questioning spending of £2.8 million - their figures. Kent County Councils budget is (according to publicly available figures), £2.6 billion. If that £2.8 million was all they can find that was 'wasted', according to their own opinion, that is 0.1% of the entire budget. On a budget that size, that to me suggests some pretty prudent budgeting and spending if only 10p out of every £100 is 'wasted'.

So do you have anything else to back up this claim you keep making?

Cab firms forced to return £30,000 for SEN pupil taxi trips they did not make

Cab firms in Kent have been caught trying to take the tax-payer for a ride - claiming nearly £30,000 for home-to-school trips they did not make.

www.kentonline.co.uk

It's coming out drip feed, I am sure there will be a combined report at some time.

Give it time, any saving of public money is to be encouraged

 

[Spindle]

If ever a public official needed prosecution for taking a bad decision it’s Cameron. He put party before country and we ended up not only with the stupidity of Brexit but the rise of Reform.

History will not be kind to David Cameron.

The prick plays golf at our club occasionally with his pal the Duke of Beaufort. He knocked his battered Titleist out of bounds on 18 last year underneath my chair when I was in "the 19th". One of the Tory boy creeps, a golfing colleague of mine, took it back to the useless c**** like a little serf, doffing his cap. Sad or what.

I overheard him chatting with the Duke afterwards and can confirm that his accent is aristocratic - the false b****** must've dumbed it down for Joe public.

Of course we pay for his permanent "security". 2 blokes who spent all their time on their phones bored whilst he hung about with the other toffs.

He also went down to the Falklands as foreign secretary under Johnson, my stepson in law was stationed at Stanley at the time. The toff b****** actually asked for quails eggs for breakfast I s*** you not. "This is the Falklands sir" was the reply.

t***.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The prick plays golf at our club occasionally with his pal the Duke of Beaufort. He knocked his battered Titleist out of bounds on 18 last year underneath my chair when I was in "the 19th". One of the Tory boy creeps took it back to the useless c**** like a little serf, doffing his cap.

I overheard him chatting with the Duke afterwards and can confirm that his accent is aristocratic - the false b****** must've dumbed it down for Joe public.

So you had the opportunity to stamp on one of his balls?

 

[Spindle]

So you had the opportunity to stamp on one of his balls?

I would've but it was on tarmac. He played the sort of scraped old ball I chuck into a practice bag, tight c***.

The guys know a despise the guy so tease me a bit on it, goad me to go tell him. And sure enough, one time around a crowded bar a mate said to tell him what I think and I said f*** off not trying to talk to that c*** or something, and it turns out he was stood directly behind me 🤣

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The prick plays golf at our club occasionally with his pal the Duke of Beaufort. He knocked his battered Titleist out of bounds on 18 last year underneath my chair when I was in "the 19th". One of the Tory boy creeps, a golfing colleague of mine, took it back to the useless c**** like a little serf, doffing his cap. Sad or what.

I overheard him chatting with the Duke afterwards and can confirm that his accent is aristocratic - the false b****** must've dumbed it down for Joe public.

Of course we pay for his permanent "security". 2 blokes who spent all their time on their phones bored whilst he hung about with the other toffs.

He also went down to the Falklands as foreign secretary under Johnson, my stepson in law was stationed at Stanley at the time. The toff b****** actually asked for quails eggs for breakfast I s*** you not. "This is the Falklands sir" was the reply.

t***.

All amusing but wasn’t he actually foreign secretary under Sunak, not Johnson?

 

[ASCPFC]

The prick plays golf at our club occasionally with his pal the Duke of Beaufort. He knocked his battered Titleist out of bounds on 18 last year underneath my chair when I was in "the 19th". One of the Tory boy creeps, a golfing colleague of mine, took it back to the useless c**** like a little serf, doffing his cap. Sad or what.

I overheard him chatting with the Duke afterwards and can confirm that his accent is aristocratic - the false b****** must've dumbed it down for Joe public.

Of course we pay for his permanent "security". 2 blokes who spent all their time on their phones bored whilst he hung about with the other toffs.

He also went down to the Falklands as foreign secretary under Johnson, my stepson in law was stationed at Stanley at the time. The toff b****** actually asked for quails eggs for breakfast I s*** you not. "This is the Falklands sir" was the reply.

t***.

"We have penguin's eggs."