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beak said:
Pol Pot like Stalin was a Communist. As stated earlier the Zinoviev letter is a very stark document that clearly shows the line between Democratic Socialists and Communists who are undemocratic and do not hold elections ,the Communists find Democratic Socialists a very difficult problem as they cannot accuse them of being manic capitalists as we all know sometimes private industry is the way to go but in some instances it is nationalisation. The Water companies were much better under nationalisation, pharmacuetical companies are better as LSE listed concerns.
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Communists don't hold elections (not fair ones anyway)
Fascists don't hold elections.
Donald Trump holds elections.
So are you agreeing that Trump isn't a fascist?
 
beak said:
Pol Pot like Stalin was a Communist. As stated earlier the Zinoviev letter is a very stark document that clearly shows the line between Democratic Socialists and Communists who are undemocratic and do not hold elections ,the Communists find Democratic Socialists a very difficult problem as they cannot accuse them of being manic capitalists as we all know sometimes private industry is the way to go but in some instances it is nationalisation. The Water companies were much better under nationalisation, pharmacuetical companies are better as LSE listed concerns.
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The lunatic economic and social ideas are the same. Socialism is communism without the kicking boots on. (Your repeating quoting of the 'Zinoviev Letter' is highly amusing.)
 
beak said:
So why does Farage go parading around Ipswich F.C. The left are keeping their powder dry and will bring forth evidence revealing where he stands on the political spectrum. A worthless rabble rouser.
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You do make me laugh!
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We are discussing Nazi atrocities! They certainly killed millions in Russia, many of them Jewish, but not either in China or Cambodia.
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"Socialism embraces all, not just some. It’s inclusive."
Deaths in Mao's China are estimated at between 40 & 80 m. Under Pol Pot between 20 & 25% of the population were murdered.
 
Stirlingsays said:
You seem to be unable to think about politics from within the prism of that time and place.

The National Socialists were authoritarians (like the communists) and far right socially and left wing statists economically.....a form of socialism.

I literally named you left wing policies that they implemented.....these were actual things that happened, not opinions. Denying these things is rewriting history.

It's not modern day left and right. No one is saying that they were modern day socialists....modern day socialism is internationalist.....but that was only one form of socialism a hundred years ago.
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Only the hard right seek to frame the political attitude of the Nazis as “a form of socialism”.

Most sensible people regard that as nonsensical and revisionist. The “socialism” tag added to their name was just an attempt to add respectability to an evil creed which has its fundamental beliefs firmly rooted in right wing ideology.

They weren’t a “form of socialism”. They were an expression of far right beliefs wearing a socialist cloak as a disguise. Not for nothing did they have a Propaganda Ministry.

No one denies they used socialist techniques. It’s why they used them that people like you seek to distort. There was never an intention to implement a socialist state. Just a cynical use of some popular policies.

Who might have learned the benefit of offering populist policies? While we are discussing the lessons learned, who else has used mass rallies and hero worship as political tools?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
"Socialism embraces all, not just some. It’s inclusive."
Deaths in Mao's China are estimated at between 40 & 80 m. Under Pol Pot between 20 & 25% of the population were murdered.
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We are discussing the Nazis. Not socialists. We can discuss their imperfections another time during which you would find broad agreement with me. Especially over authoritarian regimes posing as socialist.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We are discussing the Nazis. Not socialists. We can discuss their imperfections another time during which you would find broad agreement with me. Especially over authoritarian regimes posing as socialist.
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I was discussing your claim about the inclusivity of socialism. Broad agreement? Quite a claim from a self professed centrist.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We are discussing the Nazis. Not socialists. We can discuss their imperfections another time during which you would find broad agreement with me. Especially over authoritarian regimes posing as socialist.
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What about Socialists posing as One Nation Tories?
 
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