Reform

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reform's last manifesto "Our Contract with You", contained a £100 billion black hole, a fantasy budget of uncosted promises that the 'Economist' described as a disaster and which economists reported would trigger an immediate and violent sterling crisis. It would blow a hole in the public finances and devastate the very voters Reform claims to champion. Farage is now preparing to abandon his tax-cutting programme, in other words, the contract’s small print should now contain the words " We can break our pledges whenever we feel like it".
Furthermore Reform did not clarify which of the £140 billion's worth of spending commitments have been dropped.
A party promising to increase spending without a plan to pay for it.
I would like to add that the same poll revealed that whilst 37% trust Farage with the economy, 53% distrust him.

I shall now retire to the bosom of slumber. Goodnight one and all. 👍

I doubt the public will find a lecture by the Tories about economics credible. Moreover, immigration is the overriding concern.
Every vote for the Tories will just give Labour more seats. They cannot win the next election.

 

[Willo]

I doubt the public will find a lecture by the Tories about economics credible. Moreover, immigration is the overriding concern.
Every vote for the Tories will just give Labour more seats. They cannot win the next election.

We have set out a serious Conservative alternative, a plan to restore economic strength, and such policies will come sharply into focus during the General Election campaign.

 

[Spindle]

You don't think Hindus might be fearful of more Pakistanis etc arriving? White people aren't really their problem.

And white people don't tend to have issues with Hindus either

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We have set out a serious Conservative alternative, a plan to restore economic strength, and such policies will come sharply into focus during the General Election campaign.

And the more people you convince, the more likely we will have another Labour government.

 

[silvertop]

Reform's last manifesto "Our Contract with You", contained a £100 billion black hole, a fantasy budget of uncosted promises that the 'Economist' described as a disaster and which economists reported would trigger an immediate and violent sterling crisis. It would blow a hole in the public finances and devastate the very voters Reform claims to champion. Farage is now preparing to abandon his tax-cutting programme, in other words, the contract’s small print should now contain the words " We can break our pledges whenever we feel like it".
Furthermore Reform did not clarify which of the £140 billion's worth of spending commitments have been dropped.
A party promising to increase spending without a plan to pay for it.
I would like to add that the same poll revealed that whilst 37% trust Farage with the economy, 53% distrust him.

I shall now retire to the bosom of slumber. Goodnight one and all. 👍

In all fairness, Reform made all those uncosted promises but have drawn back on all of them.

That could mean a number of things.

They have had a chat and decided to u turn. Doesn't auger well. Or...

More hopefully, the City types who may come in as advisers have made it a condition of their support that Farage stops promising stuff this country can't afford.

Still won't get my vote. For many reasons not least climate change deniers are not worthy of government.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

In all fairness, Reform made all those uncosted promises but have drawn back on all of them.

That could mean a number of things.

They have had a chat and decided to u turn. Doesn't auger well. Or...

More hopefully, the City types who may come in as advisers have made it a condition of their support that Farage stops promising stuff this country can't afford.

Still won't get my vote. For many reasons not least climate change deniers are not worthy of government.

Who is denying climate change? Climate changes constantly.

People are sceptical about the extent of man's contribution because scientists are not reliable when it comes to projections of this type. They are often swayed by their own interests and don't like to break from the pack.
No matter how much man is responsible, it seems absurd to make British people pay inflated prices for energy when some renewable energy sources are nearly useless like wind power and Britiain is responsible for only 1% of Earth's pollution.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Reform UK pulls out of BBC film over Trump edit row

The party is withdrawing its co-operation from a documentary which was due to air in January.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[silvertop]

Who is denying climate change? Climate changes constantly.

People are sceptical about the extent of man's contribution because scientists are not reliable when it comes to projections of this type. They are often swayed by their own interests and don't like to break from the pack.
No matter how much man is responsible, it seems absurd to make British people pay inflated prices for energy when some renewable energy sources are nearly useless like wind power and Britiain is responsible for only 1% of Earth's pollution.

Didn't see this reply so apologies for making you repeat.

The one point I did not address is the science. Climate does change and there is a detailed record of it in the rocks. But it is the rate of change that is unprecedented in this planet's history. A trend that precisely correlates with industrialization. And which cause has been explained through generations of study that has stood up to the stress test of vigorous peer review.

Sadly, it is as close to certain as you can get.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Didn't see this reply so apologies for making you repeat.

The one point I did not address is the science. Climate does change and there is a detailed record of it in the rocks. But it is the rate of change that is unprecedented in this planet's history. A trend that precisely correlates with industrialization. And which cause has been explained through generations of study that has stood up to the stress test of vigorous peer review.

Sadly, it is as close to certain as you can get.

I get what you are saying and, if true, that the increase in rate of change matches with industrialisation, it’s a shame that the same principle isn’t applied to other things. Like, I don’t know, sexual attacks potentially matching an increase in immigration from non-western countries…

 

[silvertop]

I get what you are saying and, if true, that the increase in rate of change matches with industrialisation, it’s a shame that the same principle isn’t applied to other things. Like, I don’t know, sexual attacks potentially matching an increase in immigration from non-western countries…

Seamless segue! I barely noticed.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Didn't see this reply so apologies for making you repeat.

The one point I did not address is the science. Climate does change and there is a detailed record of it in the rocks. But it is the rate of change that is unprecedented in this planet's history. A trend that precisely correlates with industrialization. And which cause has been explained through generations of study that has stood up to the stress test of vigorous peer review.

Sadly, it is as close to certain as you can get.

I would certainly accept the possibility that man has increased warming above the natural rate, but I would not accept it as 100% certain. That's only because scientific research is not always as reliable as some would have you believe.
In practical terms, the more important question is, will mankind prohibit or greatly reduce the use of all products associated with global warming.

I think you know the answer.

To borrow from Private Fraser. We're doomed! Doooomed! Maybe...

 

[beak]

I get what you are saying and, if true, that the increase in rate of change matches with industrialisation, it’s a shame that the same principle isn’t applied to other things. Like, I don’t know, sexual attacks potentially matching an increase in immigration from non-western countries…

"I have striven not to laugh at human actions, not to weep at them, nor to hate them, but to understand them". Baruch Spinoza.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990074936656859565

 

[HKOwen]

We have set out a serious Conservative alternative, a plan to restore economic strength, and such policies will come sharply into focus during the General Election campaign.

This may well be the case.

Problems are:

The public has totally lost trust in the Conservatives for reasons already well documented on here

The climate has changed , immigration, illegals being gifted everything etc etc, the Conservatives will always have difficulty while they still have the One Nation wets who are happy with immigration, the Boris Wave etc etc.

Still plenty of anti Brexit Conservatives skulking around.

Reform have the tanks firmly on the lawn of Conservative values.

Rees-Mogg is right as usual, somehow the Conservatives and Reform have to work together, or at least not against each other, which seems highly unlikely but events etc. Reform can swing the traditional Labour vote, the Conservatives can't, their hunting ground will be the seats lost to the risible Lib dems.

Whoever forms the next govt will have a poison chalice economically.

The most important thing is to ensure that there is not another socialist govt.

 

[Willo]

This may well be the case.

Problems are:

The public has totally lost trust in the Conservatives for reasons already well documented on here

The climate has changed , immigration, illegals being gifted everything etc etc, the Conservatives will always have difficulty while they still have the One Nation wets who are happy with immigration, the Boris Wave etc etc.

Still plenty of anti Brexit Conservatives skulking around.

Reform have the tanks firmly on the lawn of Conservative values.

Rees-Mogg is right as usual, somehow the Conservatives and Reform have to work together, or at least not against each other, which seems highly unlikely but events etc. Reform can swing the traditional Labour vote, the Conservatives can't, their hunting ground will be the seats lost to the risible Lib dems.

Whoever forms the next govt will have a poison chalice economically.

The most important thing is to ensure that there is not another socialist govt.

I am cognisant of the fact that the subject matter is 'Reform', accordingly I shall refrain from articulating a 'Party Political Broadcast' on behalf of the Conservative Party.

All I will add is that we are indeed suffering from an 'Attention deficit' disorder however this was fully expected and it was always known that it would take time to regain the trust of the electorate.In opposition we have had our successes and we have also set out a serious alternative plan to restore economic strength and secure our borders.

Reform might have picked up the megaphone, they might appear to be a political oasis but it is a mirage.
In private my diatribe directed against Reform is incessant, they are placed in the pillory and subjected to lacerating attacks.

 

[beak]

I am cognisant of the fact that the subject matter is 'Reform', accordingly I shall refrain from articulating a 'Party Political Broadcast' on behalf of the Conservative Party.

All I will add is that we are indeed suffering from an 'Attention deficit' disorder however this was fully expected and it was always known that it would take time to regain the trust of the electorate.In opposition we have had our successes and we have also set out a serious alternative plan to restore economic strength and secure our borders.

Reform might have picked up the megaphone, they might appear to be a political oasis but it is a mirage.
In private my diatribe directed against Reform is incessant, they are placed in the pillory and subjected to lacerating attacks.

accordingly I shall refrain from articulating a 'Party Political Broadcast' on behalf of the Conservative Party. Always a first time. I don't think you are watching the ball (as a Tory Party) Reform are stealing your clothes wholesale.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990074936656859565

Let’s hope this becomes a central pillar of their pre election propaganda. There won’t be a manifesto. Just a list of obviously unaffordable promises.

Matched by the current government putting in place a new funding model for the 2028 to 2038 decade which ensures their income is ring fenced from any political interference.

Having to overturn that by primary legislation would be hugely unpopular and a vote loser.

 

[Willo]

accordingly I shall refrain from articulating a 'Party Political Broadcast' on behalf of the Conservative Party. Always a first time. I don't think you are watching the ball (as a Tory Party) Reform are stealing your clothes wholesale.

I can assure you that we are fully aware of the political landscape at this juncture.
Reform's policies are built on sand, attention-seeking pie-in-the sky announcements which have not stood the test of time as they backtrack once the realities have become clear. It really is junk policies, like junk food, when what the country requires is solid legislative fare of the kind that does not deliver empty political calories.

Without doubt I shall continue my tirade against Reform when I meet some of my Conservative chums for a coffee and cake later this morning !

 

[beak]

I can assure you that we are fully aware of the political landscape at this juncture.
Reform's policies are built on sand, attention-seeking pie-in-the sky announcements which have not stood the test of time as they backtrack once the realities have become clear. It really is junk policies, like junk food, when what the country requires is solid legislative fare of the kind that does not deliver empty political calories.

Without doubt I shall continue my tirade against Reform when I meet some of my Conservative chums for a coffee and cake later this morning !

Do you feel that the lack of a big party machine will be a major hinderance to Reform at the next GE?

 

[Willo]

Do you feel that the lack of a big party machine will be a major hinderance to Reform at the next GE?

The Conservatives biggest obstacle to re-election is in many ways the ace up our sleeves. Indeed it ,means we have to work assiduously to regain the trust of the electorate which is one aspect that Reform have in their favour. However we know the reasons as to how and why mistakes were made.We have the experience of Government, we know how the 'Engines' of power work, the problems and the pitfalls. Reform have no idea at all.