Reform

[silvertop]

AI says a recent poll showed a jump in support for Reform among British Indians from 4% to 13%.
The rate of increase is higher than the national average, pointing to growing momentum.

So not insignificant.

Farage knows that he won't just be the Prime Minister of White British people. He has to get other ethnicities on board for the common cause. That cause might involve deporting the scum.

Who do you mean?

BTW, I have British Asian friends and, being born, bred and settled here, they would be quite happy to see the drawbridge closed behind them.

In a taxi with my mate (a fierce Brexiteer - imagine the chats we had) and a 1st generation Nigerian cab driver. This was during the referendum. The driver was completely pro-Brexit in order to address immigration.

You would be surprised how many people of colour are on your side at least on some issues.

As an aside, I asked the driver whether he was concerned with the character of some of his white bed fellows in the Eurosceptic cause. There was a long pause...

They may be on your side, but will you accept them standing beside you?

 

[Bassak]

That you regard our experienced politicians simply as idiots and clowns has echoes of the attitudes held by the tech billionaires in the USA that last night’s Panorama accused of seeking to replace democracy with an autocracy run by them. If you didn’t watch it, you should. You, and those who think like you, are being played.

And those who think like you are not being played by BBC’S Panorama program last night which has been proven to be full of corrupt editing 🤔

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Who do you mean?

BTW, I have British Asian friends and, being born, bred and settled here, they would be quite happy to see the drawbridge closed behind them.

In a taxi with my mate (a fierce Brexiteer - imagine the chats we had) and a 1st generation Nigerian cab driver. This was during the referendum. The driver was completely pro-Brexit in order to address immigration.

You would be surprised how many people of colour are on your side at least on some issues.

As an aside, I asked the driver whether he was concerned with the character of some of his white bed fellows in the Eurosceptic cause. There was a long pause...

They may be on your side, but will you accept them standing beside you?

I think it is fairly plain that any reasonable person from any background would see a significant minority in this country as undesirable. That is aside from any ethnic or religious prejudices they might have.

Personally, I have no problem with anyone who is law abiding and contributes to society as long as they adapt to my culture rather than try to change it.

And I'm not remotely surprised that people of immigrant background don't want more immigrants or more crime.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

That you regard our experienced politicians simply as idiots and clowns has echoes of the attitudes held by the tech billionaires in the USA that last night’s Panorama accused of seeking to replace democracy with an autocracy run by them. If you didn’t watch it, you should. You, and those who think like you, are being played.

Is that the same Panorama that edited Trump merging 2 speeches together to discredit him. No thanks.

 

[georgenorman]

Donate to and/or join and/or do voluntary work for Reform.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Donate to and/or join and/or do voluntary work for Reform.

Especially true for Wisbech Eagle.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Who do you mean?

BTW, I have British Asian friends and, being born, bred and settled here, they would be quite happy to see the drawbridge closed behind them.

In a taxi with my mate (a fierce Brexiteer - imagine the chats we had) and a 1st generation Nigerian cab driver. This was during the referendum. The driver was completely pro-Brexit in order to address immigration.

You would be surprised how many people of colour are on your side at least on some issues.

As an aside, I asked the driver whether he was concerned with the character of some of his white bed fellows in the Eurosceptic cause. There was a long pause...

They may be on your side, but will you accept them standing beside you?

No one is coming for the Katharine Birbalsinghs' in the country.

Everybody knows this.

Just as everybody knows who will be targeted.

I'll like to deport the Owen Jones' of the country along with them.

A lot will self deport because a Reform government will make the environment difficult for foreign free loaders.

Well, if they actually do it......they will have the civil service and most institutions against them.

There will need to be radical change in both our ruling and institutional classes.

 

[HKOwen]

They will need to fire a lot of activist civil servants

 

[silvertop]

No one is coming for the Katharine Birbalsinghs' in the country.

Everybody knows this.

Just as everybody knows who will be targeted.

I'll like to deport the Owen Jones' of the country along with them.

A lot will self deport because a Reform government will make the environment difficult for foreign free loaders.

Well, if they actually do it......they will have the civil service and most institutions against them.

There will need to be radical change in both our ruling and institutional classes.

Why on earth would the civil service resist this? What possible motivation would they have? They get policy handed to them and they enforce it.

If you properly resource Border Force they will prevent more illegal immigrants.

If you properly resource trading standards they will address the black economy that attracts them.

If you properly resource the police they will do what they do properly.

If you rationalize the asylum process they will be processed and deported if they fail and assimilated quickly if they succeed.

If the laws are made 100% clear and the process is properly resourced, you will not have illegals and asylum seekers dragging out applications and endless costly appeals. The judiciary will obey the executive.

Given resources, clear law and proper motivation the civil service will do what is required of them.

"Resistance" will come from under resourcing and poor training/motivation. The civil service will then be blamed for mucking it all up and Tsars will be sent in and some middle managers will be sacked but just for pointless window dressing to show the government are doing "something" to correct the issue.

And we will have posters on here genuinely believing it is all part of some Marxist design.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Why on earth would the civil service resist this? What possible motivation would they have? They get policy handed to them and they enforce it.

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I think to suggest that civil servants don't have ideological agency and that they don't also act on it is just out of touch with the reality.

Proof? Well, there was a stunning and quite unbelievable parlour piece only a few years back when the civil service literally complained and threatened to down tools unless Dominic Rabb was removed. Other Tory ministers like Patel also came in for this abuse of power.

Bullying? Who the feck are these pathetic people? Entitled, weak middle class idealogs who wouldn't last ten seconds working in a proper kitchen.

Blair changed the power dynamic.

If you properly resource Border Force they will prevent more illegal immigrant

If you properly resource trading standards they will address the black economy that attracts them.

If you properly resource the police they will do what they do properly.

If you properly resource anything it's in a better position to do it's job with the right management.

However again, I think you ignore the reality of ideological capture, mostly but not always within management.....due partly to ministerial decisions.

If you rationalize the asylum process they will be processed and deported if they fail and assimilated quickly if they succeed.

If the laws are made 100% clear and the process is properly resourced, you will not have illegals and asylum seekers dragging out applications and endless costly appeals. The judiciary will obey the executive.

Given resources, clear law and proper motivation the civil service will do what is required of them.

"Resistance" will come from under resourcing and poor training/motivation. The civil service will then be blamed for mucking it all up and Tsars will be sent in and some middle managers will be sacked but just for pointless window dressing to show the government are doing "something" to correct the issue.

And we will have posters on here genuinely believing it is all part of some Marxist design.

Marxist? That's overly dramatic.

Social liberalism was all that was required to bring us to this stage. I've seen it myself in teaching so I find this denial quite something.

The decline of a thousand cuts over decades.

 

[ASCPFC]

No one is coming for the Katharine Birbalsinghs' in the country.

Everybody knows this.

Just as everybody knows who will be targeted.

I'll like to deport the Owen Jones' of the country along with them.

A lot will self deport because a Reform government will make the environment difficult for foreign free loaders.

Well, if they actually do it......they will have the civil service and most institutions against them.

There will need to be radical change in both our ruling and institutional classes.

Don't forget 90% of academics and teachers. Plus, the NHS going happy clappy then Apeshit.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Zia Yusuf pretty much echoing the points being made.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Is that the same Panorama that edited Trump merging 2 speeches together to discredit him. No thanks.

I don’t think it was made by the same company but that edit came from the same speech. Not different ones.

I haven’t yet heard their explanation but it looks totally obvious to me that they have spliced together two quotes from the same speech in an attempt to make plain that Trump was largely responsible for that mob not only being there in the first place, but also for them believing his lies about the election being stolen, ramping up their anger, and encouraging them to march to the Capitol.

Hiding behind excuses that could provide a flimsy plausible deniability doesn’t change basic facts. We want Panorama to tell us the unvarnished truth. Not alternative facts as approved by Donald Trump.

Of course, because of the extremely high standards that are demanded of the BBC, there may well be a reprimand given to them. Nevertheless, I think that is a small, and worthwhile, price to pay. Trump plays dirty. He ought not be surprised when others retaliate.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I don’t think it was made by the same company but that edit came from the same speech. Not different ones.

I haven’t yet heard their explanation but it looks totally obvious to me that they have spliced together two quotes from the same speech in an attempt to make plain that Trump was largely responsible for that mob not only being there in the first place, but also for them believing his lies about the election being stolen, ramping up their anger, and encouraging them to march to the Capitol.

Hiding behind excuses that could provide a flimsy plausible deniability doesn’t change basic facts. We want Panorama to tell us the unvarnished truth. Not alternative facts as approved by Donald Trump.

Of course, because of the extremely high standards that are demanded of the BBC, there may well be a reprimand given to them. Nevertheless, I think that is a small, and worthwhile, price to pay. Trump plays dirty. He ought not be surprised when others retaliate.

Unvarnished truth? You've just said that they spliced together different parts of a speech to change the meaning. How much more varnish do you need?
How is it the BBCs responsibility or right to retaliate to anyone?

 

[silvertop]

?

I think to suggest that civil servants don't have ideological agency and that they don't also act on it is just out of touch with the reality.

Proof? Well, there was a stunning and quite unbelievable parlour piece only a few years back when the civil service literally complained and threatened to down tools unless Dominic Rabb was removed. Other Tory ministers like Patel also came in for this abuse of power.

Bullying? Who the feck are these pathetic people? Entitled, weak middle class idealogs who wouldn't last ten seconds working in a proper kitchen.

Blair changed the power dynamic.




If you properly resource anything it's in a better position to do it's job with the right management.

However again, I think you ignore the reality of ideological capture, mostly but not always within management.....due partly to ministerial decisions.



Marxist? That's overly dramatic.

Social liberalism was all that was required to bring us to this stage. I've seen it myself in teaching so I find this denial quite something.

The decline of a thousand cuts over decades.

I don't know how you made the leap from complaining about bullying to sabotaging Reform's policies.

There are undoubtedly wet types in the civil service. However, there are also many who could have gone into the private sector but actually chose this life out of duty and public service.

If Reforms policies are capable of implementation and are properly funded they will put them through. Otherwise, they will not.

It sounds to me like you are getting in your excuses for failure early. Not a healthy place to start.

On "Marxist", note the post that immediately followed yours. OK he said "activist". But the implication is clear.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I don't know how you made the leap from complaining about bullying to sabotaging Reform's policies.

Are you kidding me? So here you are thinking that those who were prepared to go to the wall to get Rabb removed (which they did) aren't going to work against a party significantly more right wing than the Tories?

Yeah, I don't think you're are being serious here.

There are undoubtedly wet types in the civil service. However, there are also many who could have gone into the private sector but actually chose this life out of duty and public service.

If Reforms policies are capable of implementation and are properly funded they will put them through. Otherwise, they will not.

It sounds to me like you are getting in your excuses for failure early. Not a healthy place to start.

I've already said that I don't think Reform will succeed, and the institutions are a significant but not wholly the reason why. Besides, It's hardly just the civil service.....a lot of it is in dismantling much of the distributed power network that Blair set up and parts of EU legal constraints.

The fact that I don't think it'll work isn't the point. Not to try would be far worse.....like a fading lion refusing a last roar.

Sacking some of the people, who are responsible....at least ideologically, if not personally (because that started post war but was advanced massively by Blair)......with declining and destroying significant parts of what made this country great is at least a symbolic operation as it all declines into the fractionism born of sectarianism.

They will never accept any responsibility so if it happens it'll be fully deserved.

I know Farage won't touch the neoliberals because he is one.....but I want a metaphorical bonfire of the social liberals.....that at least will happen to some extent.

On "Marxist", note the post that immediately followed yours. OK he said "activist". But the implication is clear.

The exact categorisation isn't important.

All that matters is that their pathway fecked everything.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Proper geezers.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987275472065945711

👍

 

[Willo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987275472065945711

👍

Reform's last manifesto "Our Contract with You", contained a £100 billion black hole, a fantasy budget of uncosted promises that the 'Economist' described as a disaster and which economists reported would trigger an immediate and violent sterling crisis. It would blow a hole in the public finances and devastate the very voters Reform claims to champion. Farage is now preparing to abandon his tax-cutting programme, in other words, the contract’s small print should now contain the words " We can break our pledges whenever we feel like it".
Furthermore Reform did not clarify which of the £140 billion's worth of spending commitments have been dropped.
A party promising to increase spending without a plan to pay for it.
I would like to add that the same poll revealed that whilst 37% trust Farage with the economy, 53% distrust him.

I shall now retire to the bosom of slumber. Goodnight one and all. 👍

 

[Badger11]

Proper geezers.

Respect. I hope their business benefits from it.