Reform

[silvertop]

Do you think in the dressing room or out on the pitch any of them notice, let alone care?

They are team mates and our players. That’s what differentiates them from other people. Not any physical or ethnical characteristics.

I had a standing row with some fellow students many years ago. I was talking about someone and then saw her. I identified her as the black woman. I was attacked as racist.

2 arguments.

One, I reduced her to her ethnicity. To avoid that, I should have done as they demanded. Describe her by reference to the colour of her coat etc.

Two, I cannot make reference to her ethnicity as it is something that cannot be said, perhaps as she should be ashamed or embarrassed about having that characteristic.

Option one is simply bizarre.

Option two is offensive to them.

Race is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. It is on a statutory footing.

Ethnicity should be something a person embraces and loves. Absent any prejudice or other ill intent, it should also be something people can discuss openly without fear. If I am discussing someone over there who happens to be the only black person in the party, I should be able to refer to her as the "black woman". Otherwise, I am not treading upon perception of prejudice, I am treading upon white guilt.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I had a standing row with some fellow students many years ago. I was talking about someone and then saw her. I identified her as the black woman. I was attacked as racist.

2 arguments.

One, I reduced her to her ethnicity. To avoid that, I should have done as they demanded. Describe her by reference to the colour of her coat etc.

Two, I cannot make reference to her ethnicity as it is something that cannot be said, perhaps as she should be ashamed or embarrassed about having that characteristic.

Option one is simply bizarre.

Option two is offensive to them.

Race is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. It is on a statutory footing.

Ethnicity should be something a person embraces and loves. Absent any prejudice or other ill intent, it should also be something people can discuss openly without fear. If I am discussing someone over there who happens to be the only black person in the party, I should be able to refer to her as the "black woman". Otherwise, I am not treading upon perception of prejudice, I am treading upon white guilt.

Time to ignore morons who cry 'racist'. I think most now do. It's just a way to control language and therefore control people.

For example, Sarah Pochin of Reform is completely correct when she says adverts are full of Black and Asian people. It is a fact. A fact cannot be racist. Not liking it is a choice. Not racism.

All I would say is that advertisers are ahead of the game. They know which way the wind is blowing.

A trip through Addiscombe, Shirley, South Norwood and plenty of other places in London, I'm sure, now look more like a Tesco advert than they did 30 years ago.

The normalisation of cultural and ethnic change is going on constantly in the mainstream media.

Gaslighting propaganda might fool some, but more and more can see that they are being replaced.

 

[silvertop]

Time to ignore morons who cry 'racist'. I think most now do. It's just a way to control language and therefore control people.

For example, Sarah Pochin of Reform is completely correct when she says adverts are full of Black and Asian people. It is a fact. A fact cannot be racist. Not liking it is a choice. Not racism.

All, I would say is that advertisers are ahead of the game. They know which way the wind is blowing.

A trip through Addiscombe, Shirley, South Norwood and plenty of other places in London, I'm sure, now look more like a Tesco advert than they did 30 years ago.

The normalisation of cultural and ethnic change is going on constantly in the mainstream media.

Gaslighting propaganda might fool some, but more and more can see that they are being replaced.

I thought that. Yet she was still strong armed into a public apology.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I thought that. Yet she was still strong armed into a public apology.

I suppose more people will remember the original statement than the apology.

I guess it's fine to apologise to those who might be offended in a political sense because it won't stop the increasing number who are likely to vote Reform from agreeing with her.

The double standards of identity politics are so apparent now that only the terminally indoctrinated can't see it.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I think Farage was right. The way she said it wasn’t good, but it’s true. The advertising industry is in London. Liberal London, with all the tw@ts deciding and thinking that their ideological bubble represents the whole country. Lots of London is full of cvnts. Not all, but lots of it.

Actually I’ve seen the whole clip now and I think she’s ok with what she’s ok with what she said. She’s saying what probably at least half the country and growing thinks.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I had a standing row with some fellow students many years ago. I was talking about someone and then saw her. I identified her as the black woman. I was attacked as racist.

2 arguments.

One, I reduced her to her ethnicity. To avoid that, I should have done as they demanded. Describe her by reference to the colour of her coat etc.

Two, I cannot make reference to her ethnicity as it is something that cannot be said, perhaps as she should be ashamed or embarrassed about having that characteristic.

Option one is simply bizarre.

Option two is offensive to them.

Race is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. It is on a statutory footing.

Ethnicity should be something a person embraces and loves. Absent any prejudice or other ill intent, it should also be something people can discuss openly without fear. If I am discussing someone over there who happens to be the only black person in the party, I should be able to refer to her as the "black woman". Otherwise, I am not treading upon perception of prejudice, I am treading upon white guilt.

Of course you should. Unless there were better descriptions. Such as if she was the only woman, or the only person in a wheelchair etc.

Racism is only present when things are said to denigrate someone because their race, appearance or culture. Not simply as a useful descriptor.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I think Farage was right. The way she said it wasn’t good, but it’s true. The advertising industry is in London. Liberal London, with all the tw@ts deciding and thinking that their ideological bubble represents the whole country. Lots of London is full of cvnts. Not all, but lots of it.

Actually I’ve seen the whole clip now and I think she’s ok with what she’s ok with what she said. She’s saying what probably at least half the country and growing thinks.

Indeed, and when Wes Streeting is looking for a diversion from the incompetence of his government, his victim of choice is always Reform.

Labour are running scared.

 

[georgenorman]

I think Farage was right. The way she said it wasn’t good, but it’s true. The advertising industry is in London. Liberal London, with all the tw@ts deciding and thinking that their ideological bubble represents the whole country. Lots of London is full of cvnts. Not all, but lots of it.

Actually I’ve seen the whole clip now and I think she’s ok with what she’s ok with what she said. She’s saying what probably at least half the country and growing thinks.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what she said - stronger language would have been appropriate.

 

[HKOwen]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what she said - stronger language would have been appropriate.

She stupid and naive to use the language she did. Her point may well be valid but the way she phrased it opebed the door for criticism. This is the reality of politics.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

She stupid and naive to use the language she did. Her point may well be valid but the way she phrased it opebed the door for criticism. This is the reality of politics.

Have you listened to the whole clip or just the edited one sentence?

 

[Spindle]

This constant calling people racist, I'm numb to these claims, they're about as convincing as a Gazan famine. I'm seeing with my own eyes hundreds of masked up young men in black chanting allahu Akbar and claiming an historic part of London as "theirs", I no longer give a s***.

Besides, I'll side up with any decent English raised black guy in calling that out anyway, always would've done

 

[georgenorman]

She stupid and naive to use the language she did. Her point may well be valid but the way she phrased it opebed the door for criticism. This is the reality of politics.

Not at all, it's about time people started to say it as it is - the cancerous Left want to control the language, don't let them.

 

[HKOwen]

Not at all, it's about time people started to say it as it is - the cancerous Left want to control the language, don't let them.

For years now the advertising world has presented an imaginary picture where no UK household has a father, a mother and kids of the same demographic. This was in large part driven by intimidation from pressure groups that would accuse them of being racist or homophobic etc and in real terms affect the share price or sales.

At the end of the day it's up to the advertisers to decide what they want in their ads, if the public don't like ot they can boycott the product.

My point on Pochin is she is a politician and could have made exactly the same point with different words.

 

[georgenorman]

For years now the advertising world has presented an imaginary picture where no UK household has a father, a mother and kids of the same demographic. This was in large part driven by intimidation from pressure groups that would accuse them of being racist or homophobic etc and in real terms affect the share price or sales.

At the end of the day it's up to the advertisers to decide what they want in their ads, if the public don't like ot they can boycott the product.

My point on Pochin is she is a politician and could have made exactly the same point with different words.

She has the right to use whatever words she wants as long as she does not break the law.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

For years now the advertising world has presented an imaginary picture where no UK household has a father, a mother and kids of the same demographic. This was in large part driven by intimidation from pressure groups that would accuse them of being racist or homophobic etc and in real terms affect the share price or sales.

At the end of the day it's up to the advertisers to decide what they want in their ads, if the public don't like ot they can boycott the product.

My point on Pochin is she is a politician and could have made exactly the same point with different words.

It's a fair point.
What people think and say in private life is one thing, but politics is politics and it's all about words.

That said, she might get pressure, but her words will go down well with many people.

The only issue in terms of votes is that I suspect many Jews, Indians and others will vote Reform because of the Islamist threat.

 

[HKOwen]

She has the right to use whatever words she wants as long as she does not break the law.

I don't disagree with that at all

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Who cares at this point.

Look at the options.....Labour and the Liberals are so far left that they are off the table. The Conservatives pretend to be right wing but are full of Gove social liberal types who still have posters of Blair on their wall.

Reform could start pushing the Moon landing was fake and honesty I'd still vote for them. Personally I'm far closer to the Advance party but their time is for after the next election.

I want people in power who don't hate me.....in my own damn country.

100% Agree

We need change

 

[Stirlingsays]

I thought that. Yet she was still strong armed into a public apology.

She worded it badly but her central point was correct.

The aftermath is that she's cucked to the media/left, probably under leadership pressure.

I regard an apology as too much but I can understand why it happened.

But personally I regarding bending the knee to the media/left as self defeating.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

She worded it badly but her central point was correct.

The aftermath is that she's cucked to the media/left, probably under leadership pressure.

I regard an apology as too much but I can understand why it happened.

But personally I regarding bending the knee to the media/left as self defeating.

As I previously said, Reform will get votes from non whites so a bit of caution would be in order.

The fact that the media and opposition jump on it just means it true. We all know it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

For years now the advertising world has presented an imaginary picture where no UK household has a father, a mother and kids of the same demographic. This was in large part driven by intimidation from pressure groups that would accuse them of being racist or homophobic etc and in real terms affect the share price or sales.

At the end of the day it's up to the advertisers to decide what they want in their ads, if the public don't like ot they can boycott the product.

My point on Pochin is she is a politician and could have made exactly the same point with different words.

This isn't criticism of your point but I want to make the observation that boycotting a product isn't always very realistic because in many industries all the companies follow the same line......because legally this is the law/regulations that the social liberals have passed.

For example, Tetley the tea company released a statement on X during Pride month that I found really irritating so I resolved to not buy their tea......Then when looking at other companies to buy from I find that they all do it.....it's almost by the board the same messaging like a type of communism.

You are literally left with no options to buy differently because no companies are allowed to present as socially conservative by our actual laws, which insist they abide by and adopt socially liberal ideologies.

Boycotts can be done but they are usually more effective in the US because social conservativism is a much larger market and the reality of a state system and constitution allows for more product diversity than we get.