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What is he hoping to achieve by this.

Every party has members with varying opinions. Some might be more trivial , some more fundamental, but they align for a greater purpose, or at least they should.
We all know that Brexit was largely in name only but it was a stepping stone.

The best way to achieve what he wants is for Reform to get greater representation in Parliament.

What is his plan if not with Reform?
 
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Hrolf The Ganger said:
What is he hoping to achieve by this.

Every party has members with varying opinions. Some might be more trivial , so more fundamental, but they align for a greater purpose, or at least they should.
We all know that Brexit was largely in name only but it was a stepping stone.

The best way to achieve what he wants is for Reform to get greater representation in Parliament.

What is his plan if not with Reform?
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Well yeah, but he was an important part of the party, especially with 'members' and yet as he said, he was banned from actually giving speeches to them.

Farage has been making very liberal noises and comments recently and quite frankly....what's the point? I'm not interested in liberals, that's the whole problem with the right. Like the Tories before them they have started to look down at their base because some of them offend middle class sensibilities.

I'll always vote for the most right wing option......But I'm not particularly happy with the political direction of travel.

Essentially it seems to be more speed limit stuff towards the same outcomes but with red meat language.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Well yeah, but he was an important part of the party, especially with 'members' and yet as he said, he was banned from actually giving speeches to them.

Farage has been making very liberal noises and comments recently and quite frankly....what's the point? I'm not interested in liberals, that's the whole problem with the right. Like the Tories before them they have started to look down at their base because some of them offend middle class sensibilities.

I'll always vote for the most right wing option......But I'm not particularly happy with the political direction of travel.

Essentially it seems to be more speed limit stuff towards the same outcomes but with red meat language.
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I feel there might be more going on there than just a difference of opinion.
In the end, Reform will push the conversation towards the issues that we care about.
It's already happening. Dissenters inside the party can only derail the process. Individual ambitions have to take a back seat.

It's always about the least worst option fort me. Unity is what is required, or at least the appearance of it, in order to convince the average voter that a so called Right wing provides a better alternative to the Tories. Nigel Farage is the key figure in convincing people to move in that direction. I support him for that reason alone.
In order to unseat Labour, some kind of alliance will surely have to occur and that means some compromises. It will also hopefully mean more Reform MPs.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I feel there might be more going on there than just a difference of opinion.
In the end, Reform will push the conversation towards the issues that we care about.
It's already happening. Dissenters inside the party can only derail the process. Individual ambitions have to take a back seat.

It's always about the least worst option fort me. Unity is what is required, or at least the appearance of it, in order to convince the average voter that a so called Right wing provides a better alternative to the Tories. Nigel Farage is the key figure in convincing people to move in that direction. I support him for that reason alone.
In order to unseat Labour, some kind of alliance will surely have to occur and that means some compromises. It will also hopefully mean more Reform MPs.
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Sure, and I'll always vote for the most right wing anti establishment option, as we know these establishment 'citizens of nowhere' feckers hate us. Every year the betrayal enlarges.

Habib's views represent mine more closely than Farage's.....who essentially is a Thatcherite from the city and always has had that mindset. Farage is happy Habib's gone because Habib was pointing out the differences between a speed limit neo liberal like Farage and what we actually have to do in this country for it to stay British.....and when I say British I mean majority native not 'values' nonsense that we now hear from Reform.

Habib wanted to democratise the party but Farage and co won't democratise the party because they know the grassroots would shift it to the right.

I hear what you say about compromises but I don't know......I'm not a happy chappy anyway. The more you bend over to accommodate the closer you get to being fecked in the arse.
 
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Badger11 said:
I hope not. It doesn't sit right that a foreigner with little connection to this country is allowed to do this.

I say this as a fan of Musk's.
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There was an interview y/day, think it was the bbc, with Habib, who in reply to the interviewer, who stated that it is illegal(?) for a foreign national to contribute to a political party directly, his reply was that 'IF' this donation were true, he would be doing it via one of his British companies which is allowed.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Well yeah, but he was an important part of the party, especially with 'members' and yet as he said, he was banned from actually giving speeches to them.

Farage has been making very liberal noises and comments recently and quite frankly....what's the point? I'm not interested in liberals, that's the whole problem with the right. Like the Tories before them they have started to look down at their base because some of them offend middle class sensibilities.

I'll always vote for the most right wing option......But I'm not particularly happy with the political direction of travel.

Essentially it seems to be more speed limit stuff towards the same outcomes but with red meat language.
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Reform should have it all. They appear to be a safe haven for an ever increasing number of voters who are pro Brexit, pro British, a smaller state, strong control on immigration, anti woke and so on. Their base is largely disconnected from the main parties and, I suspect, even more so now the Tories have elected a black female leader. Given the growing hatred of establishment and the obvious and clumsy social engineering by crow bar of the inclusive agenda, you would have thought they would score a goal every time they make a strong comment on immigration etc.; but they have been oddly quiet since the election.

One issue I highlighted at the election is that they are essentially a protest movement thrust into power. This never bodes well. If you think Labour, after 14 years out of practise, appear amateur hour, what chance Reform? The more they try the more gaffs they are likely to make and the more counter-productive the effort.

However, I believe the biggest disadvantage they suffer is they do not control their presentation. That is in the hands of a largely hostile but all powerful media. The best they can do is what Labour have done the last few years. Sit quietly, show a softer more electable side, watch the main parties fall apart while immigration remains unchecked, and simply appear at the next General Election with a "Not Them" agenda.
 
silvertop said:
Reform should have it all. They appear to be a safe haven for an ever increasing number of voters who are pro Brexit, pro British, a smaller state, strong control on immigration, anti woke and so on. Their base is largely disconnected from the main parties and, I suspect, even more so now the Tories have elected a black female leader. Given the growing hatred of establishment and the obvious and clumsy social engineering by crow bar of the inclusive agenda, you would have thought they would score a goal every time they make a strong comment on immigration etc.; but they have been oddly quiet since the election.

One issue I highlighted at the election is that they are essentially a protest movement thrust into power. This never bodes well. If you think Labour, after 14 years out of practise, appear amateur hour, what chance Reform? The more they try the more gaffs they are likely to make and the more counter-productive the effort.

However, I believe the biggest disadvantage they suffer is they do not control their presentation. That is in the hands of a largely hostile but all powerful media. The best they can do is what Labour have done the last few years. Sit quietly, show a softer more electable side, watch the main parties fall apart while immigration remains unchecked, and simply appear at the next General Election with a "Not Them" agenda.
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I think you correctly hit upon the situation as Farage and co see it.

However, while Farage's take of Thatcherite social liberalism would be a vast improvement in many ways to the rainbow forms the Sunaks' and Starmers' are providing it's still ultimately not really going to work......It's a different country now and it needs radical answers to save it.

While Reform can be fun as an iconoclastic conduit to shock the liberal establishment, it appears to be trying to moderate for more votes.

Moderating is what brought us the problems in the first place.
 
Badger11 said:
I hope not. It doesn't sit right that a foreigner with little connection to this country is allowed to do this.

I say this as a fan of Musk's.
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Yep I agree with you. Essentially foreign money or people with dual loyalties acting in the interests of foreign countries needs to be pushed back on.

Obviously this isn't going happen and the left will only complain when it's money and help for their opposition... while they don't care if it's money and influence that is helping themselves.

But the principle should exist.

However, as far as I'm concerned foreign lobbies and outside finance has so much power and interest that they personally don't have a leg to stand on......Not even a cell remaining in a leg to stand on.

Mainstream parties sold out to lobby money a long long time ago as essentially donors gate keep access to the media and business industries and attitudes within it....So all the mainstream/establishment fall in line because 'go along to get along'.

You rarely even get to hear about parties that the establishment don't want you to know.
 
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Can I ask in my ignorance - are Reform promising actual political reform? Things like the voting system etc? Are they asking for PR or anything meaningful like that?
Heads up: don't use the Irish system of PR (PRSTV). Complicated con job.
 
eaglesdare said:
Foreigners with no connection to the country arrive on smalls boats in the thousands each year. They should also not be allowed to do this. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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what a pathetic and petty comment. You are responding to a very wealthy foreign national potentially trying to interfere with the UK political system.

Incidentally, the small boats represent less than 10% of the immigrants coming into the UK, so what about the other 90%? Another for the ignore button.
 
NMPalace said:
what a pathetic and petty comment. You are responding to a very wealthy foreign national potentially trying to interfere with the UK political system.

Incidentally, the small boats represent less than 10% of the immigrants coming into the UK, so what about the other 90%? Another for the ignore button.
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Triggered much?

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ASCPFC said:
Can I ask in my ignorance - are Reform promising actual political reform? Things like the voting system etc? Are they asking for PR or anything meaningful like that?
Heads up: don't use the Irish system of PR (PRSTV). Complicated con job.
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Farage is a big PR guy, I can't remember if it was in their manifesto, but I imagine so.
 
Badger11 said:
I hope not. It doesn't sit right that a foreigner with little connection to this country is allowed to do this.

I say this as a fan of Musk's.
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Musk is on the right side of politics and very wealthy.
I'll take his money all day if it means that Reform can grow as a party.

There has to be a rebalance. The liberals have had their own way for too long, and look how well that has worked out.

We know that politicians are puppets. If someone must pull their strings, then let it be someone who resists the tide of lunacy for a change.
 
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