Reeves' Budget thread

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I think this deserves it's own thread.

The message has gone from " those with the broadest shoulders " to " all of us have to do our bit "

Things will leak out in the coming days of detail.

If Reeves' was a pilot the announcement would be brace, brace, brace .

Anyone on here who has posted she is competent and doing a good job, hang your head in shame.

I hope she announces measures that are unacceptable to the far left in the party which causes a split in Parliament and the budget is voted down which would have to result in a general election.
 
Do what you can to get her sacked.
 
Do what you can to get her sacked.
Starmer stated categorically she would be in position until the next election, so she is toast.

I have never seen the national newspapers virtually united in calling her and the Govt blatant liars, this really is the worst Govt ever in my lifetime.

They really take the p1ss out of the public
 
Starmer stated categorically she would be in position until the next election, so she is toast.

I have never seen the national newspapers virtually united in calling her and the Govt blatant liars, this really is the worst Govt ever in my lifetime.

They really take the p1ss out of the public
And Reeves stated categorically that she wouldn't be '' coming back for more '' after the last budgets tax hikes. Those two are not to be trusted and the polls indicate that few now do.

The political pressure on this odious pair will really ramp up post budget. Hopefully enough to take both of them down, although God knows what's in store in their place.
 
And Reeves stated categorically that she wouldn't be '' coming back for more '' after the last budgets tax hikes. Those two are not to be trusted and the polls indicate that few now do.

The political pressure on this odious pair will really ramp up post budget. Hopefully enough to take both of them down, although God knows what's in store in their place.
She has not yet blamed the Reformation or Richard III but probably on the way
 
The only certain thing with Reeves and Starmer, is that there will be great rewards for failure.
 
I think this deserves it's own thread.

The message has gone from " those with the broadest shoulders " to " all of us have to do our bit "

Things will leak out in the coming days of detail.

If Reeves' was a pilot the announcement would be brace, brace, brace .

Anyone on here who has posted she is competent and doing a good job, hang your head in shame.

I hope she announces measures that are unacceptable to the far left in the party which causes a split in Parliament and the budget is voted down which would have to result in a general election.
i think the message is we all need to be realistic.

Servicing the national debt is now over £100bn a year (so 10% of all tax received) and many of our public services are on their knees following years of underfunding.

After covid and the c£400bn spent surely taxes needed to rise to part pay for this but instead national insurance was cut twice.

Welfare costs (which include the state pension BTW) are increasing and with Trump not prepared to support Europe defence spending will increase from 2.5% to 5%.

How is this going to be paid for?

As a standard rate tax payer i pay 28% (20% income tax plus 8% NI) which is the lowest i have paid in 35 years of work.

Nobody likes to pay more tax but as long as the higher earners pay the most i think that's the best outcome we can hope for.
 
Both stupid Labour and stupid Tories ruled out raising Income Tax before the GE, the easiest and fairest way of raising taxes.

No one like tax rises but if they are necessary they should not be hurting the poor or pensioners who may have equity but are income poor.

Reeves should raise income tax even though this will hurt me. Taxing the rich is just a socialist wet dream, they will find ways to avoid it or simply leave.
 
i think the message is we all need to be realistic.

Servicing the national debt is now over £100bn a year (so 10% of all tax received) and many of our public services are on their knees following years of underfunding.

After covid and the c£400bn spent surely taxes needed to rise to part pay for this but instead national insurance was cut twice.

Welfare costs (which include the state pension BTW) are increasing and with Trump not prepared to support Europe defence spending will increase from 2.5% to 5%.


How is this going to be paid for?

As a standard rate tax payer i pay 28% (20% income tax plus 8% NI) which is the lowest i have paid in 35 years of work.

Nobody likes to pay more tax but as long as the higher earners pay the most i think that's the best outcome we can hope for.
It's strange that no Labour politician, to my recollection, has mentioned the cost of Covid as one of the prime reasons behind the size of the national debt. They prefer to keep referencing on how the Tories, principally Truss, '' crashed the economy ''.

Personally, I would have understood and supported a rise in income tax under the circumstance.

When it comes to Welfare Costs, this is one of the areas where Labour are failing. They may know what needs to be done but can't get enough internal support to generate the required savings. So what's the answer ? Tax people.

I'm now a pensioner, but I'm realistic enough to understand that the Triple Lock is increasingly unsustainable. However, more pensioners, myself included, are now getting dragged into a tax paying bracket thanks to the thresholds remaining in place. That eats into any increase in the State Pension.

Then we come to Labours definition of a '' working person ''. They have yet to define that in any understandable way. The media speculation is that anyone earning less than £45k pa is going to be classified as such. Which then places the potential tax increases to those earning above that figure. Is £45k a fair assessment of being a '' high earner '' - I don't think so. Especially in London and South East.
From the brief research I have done, in 2024 the average London salary was £66k and the National average, £45k.

I spent my career in the City and earned well from it and got taxed accordingly. Was I a '' working person '' ? Well, I left home at 6.15am and got home between 7.30-8.30pm and it certainly felt like I'd done a days work !

I think it's a complete cop out to just say let the high earners pay more and more. For what return ? Just to subsidise those that feed off of a State that cannot or will not implement the welfare reforms that are needed ? Or to fund the Public Sector / Unions that Labour are in hoc to ? If she's serious about '' everybody doing their bit '' then she has to get those sectors in order to make any tax increases palatable.

Reeves talks about growing the economy and yet so far the majority of her actions are actually stunting in. I have no confidence in the forthcoming budget doing anything to reverse that.

And I haven't even started on breaking their Manifesto promise yet !
 
i think the message is we all need to be realistic.

Servicing the national debt is now over £100bn a year (so 10% of all tax received) and many of our public services are on their knees following years of underfunding.

After covid and the c£400bn spent surely taxes needed to rise to part pay for this but instead national insurance was cut twice.

Welfare costs (which include the state pension BTW) are increasing and with Trump not prepared to support Europe defence spending will increase from 2.5% to 5%.

How is this going to be paid for?

As a standard rate tax payer i pay 28% (20% income tax plus 8% NI) which is the lowest i have paid in 35 years of work.

Nobody likes to pay more tax but as long as the higher earners pay the most i think that's the best outcome we can hope for.
By and large, the tax rates for the employed and self-employed in this country are roughly the same - around 28% and 42%, depending on basic or higher rate - Fair enough.

But if, like me, you run as a limited company (because you need the protection - no sane person wants to be a sole trader in this economy), here’s where it gets ridiculous.

Once my income goes above £50k, the maths looks like this:
• 26.5% corporation tax
• 33.75% on dividends

So if I put another £50,000 onto my profit, nearly 60% of it disappears before I even see it.

And what’s my reward for shouldering all the risk of running a business? More red tape, rising employer NI, and now a minimum wage increase for apprentices that pretty much kills off any incentive to hire.

Apprentices used to be the lifeline - you invest two years training them with no productivity, hoping they’ll become assets. Now it’s just two years of watching your margin dissolve in real time.

So yes, apparently the government wants growth, innovation, and small business investment - just not from anyone who’s actually running one.
 
i think the message is we all need to be realistic.

Servicing the national debt is now over £100bn a year (so 10% of all tax received) and many of our public services are on their knees following years of underfunding.

After covid and the c£400bn spent surely taxes needed to rise to part pay for this but instead national insurance was cut twice.

Welfare costs (which include the state pension BTW) are increasing and with Trump not prepared to support Europe defence spending will increase from 2.5% to 5%.

How is this going to be paid for?

As a standard rate tax payer i pay 28% (20% income tax plus 8% NI) which is the lowest i have paid in 35 years of work.

Nobody likes to pay more tax but as long as the higher earners pay the most i think that's the best outcome we can hope for.
Start by taxing benefits as pension already is.
 

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