This could easily be solved by the Government reviewing those suspected of being wrongfully convicted.Thousands would be released. To help in future the police should collect all evidence and supply the court with their findings not just the prosecuting side,and lose the" nick nick" mentality.Eventually British justice would become the envy of the rest of the world.
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Prison overcrowding.
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Teddy Eagle
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An interesting idea. Regardless of the numbers, probably hundreds rather than thousands, this is something we should do anyway. It might be a cliché but one wrongfully convicted person is one too many.
Wisbech Eagle
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The court is supplied with all the evidence. So are both sides through the disclosure process as are the CPS before they decide whether to bring it to court in the first place. Then there is the appeal process if errors are made. Those suspected of having been wrongfully convicted have legal representation to push for reviews but there has to be real evidence for that to get anywhere. Just because a convicted person thinks the conviction was wrong doesn’t mean it was.
The thought that the court is supplied with all the evidence is where the problems begin, in practice look at the Oliver Campbell case the police sometimes forget to hand over evidence that does not fit their case, they at the moment put people on trial for a "result" only convictions get them "brownie points"
georgenorman
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Reintroduce the death penalty, that would reduce prisoner numbers.
eaglesdare
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Send them all to Australia. Worked before.
georgenorman
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When passing through passport control on a visit to Australia, Noel Coward is supposed to have said when asked the standard "do you have a criminal record" - "I didn't realise it was still compulsory".
How many do you think there are suspected of being wrongfully convicted? Seriously, how many?
Who is doing the " suspecting "
Meantime, put prisoners to work building new prisons with reduced privileges for those who refuse to work.
And as many counries do, corporal punishment, you would think twice if you knew you would get caned
There are several groups looking at valid and dubious convictions , over the years many people have been released as it has been proven that they did not do the crime or the police have hidden awkward facts, only yesterday Oliver Campbell was released due to police NOT letting him have a lawyer and the forensics people said it was a right hand gun shooter, of course Oliver is left handed!It is generally thought that over a thousand cases need looking at.
OK, so the guess is 1000. That's about 1% of the prison population.
But, the guilty plea rate in UK is around 66%, you could say that the 1000 becomes 3% of the prison population
Assuming there are 1000 cases, who will sort them for further review, who will do this work?
Would selected cases go to retrial?
How do you see this actually working in practice? Suppose each case needed an average of one man month to review then you would need 1000 man months or about 80 man years, so a team of ten would take 8 years to complete the review assumoing no extra cases were added, and of course some would be released or die during the 8 years. Cost would be many many millions.
Apollofuzz
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Prisoners could be sent to Estonia as jail population hits new record
Ministry of Justice said to be ‘considering anything’ as number of inmates in jails in England and Wales hits new high of 88,521
www.standard.co.uk
We could use Rwanda. The flights are ready.😆
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PalazioVecchio
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Think about the millions of quid it costs to keep a POS like Ian Huntley in porridge.
Josef Stalin used to send all the Huntleys to the firing squad and invoice their family for the bullets. So he wasn't all bad.
*note, for legal purposes we can comment on the past, but not call for any future killings.
PalazioVecchio
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in Ireland, the crime newspapers are awash with crooks who have a ton of previous convictions. In the factor of hundreds of convictions. And all still walking the streets. Very many are junkies or mentally ill.
Some have gone on to commit heinous crimes. The Parnell Street stabber of Primary schoolkids - he was previously caught carrying a knife and didnt even get a conviction.
www.independent.ie
Some have gone on to commit heinous crimes. The Parnell Street stabber of Primary schoolkids - he was previously caught carrying a knife and didnt even get a conviction.
Woman (36) with 184 previous convictions charged with theft from two Sligo stores
A 36 year old woman before Sligo District Court charged with theft of €300 of Christmas decorations and also €694 worth of memory cards from two different stores was convicted and sentenced to five months in prison by Judge Sandra Murphy.
www.independent.ie
I have plans for Rwanda, we should re-site all our solar panels there.Prisoners could be sent to Estonia as jail population hits new record
Ministry of Justice said to be ‘considering anything’ as number of inmates in jails in England and Wales hits new high of 88,521
We could use Rwanda. The flights are ready.😆
Rather than release prisoners into our communities we could have deported the 10,000 foreign criminals in our jails . What their home countries want to do with them is up to them ,they would be off our hands and would save us £500 million per year .
Governments love reviews, so cases would go for a re-trial doubtless.
So basically you are doing student politics on the back of a recent news report . You don't seem to have any grasp of the actual process or logistics of what you are suggesting.
Moving on
The first candidate for the ignorant button.
Forest Hillbilly
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If we had a routinely armed police force, we could clear the court back-log and reduce prison overcrowding in a matter of months.
All suspects of shoplifting and drivers of speeding vehicles could be shot dead for resisting arrest.
Anyone carrying a knife could also be shot in the back whilst attempting to do a runner
Or we could stop chasing people who post 'nasty' things on the internet.
All suspects of shoplifting and drivers of speeding vehicles could be shot dead for resisting arrest.
Anyone carrying a knife could also be shot in the back whilst attempting to do a runner
Or we could stop chasing people who post 'nasty' things on the internet.