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Plight of Farmers.

silvertop said:
Mapletree is commenting based on empirical evidence.

You are commenting based on the Daily Express opinion piece.

I still think the policy cannot surgically attack those yacht moorers (whose wealth and influence feeds into those editorial opinions you dogmatically believe) and there are bound to be victims who exist on the margins but I have no sympathy at all for the uber rich who exploit this loophole.
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A sensible observation.

I also have no sympathy for the uber rich, but neither do I bear them any grudge for being rich.
We would do exactly the same in their position.
 
Badger11 said:
I have noticed that there are 2 common traits that impact peoples jobs.

1. Rewards including promotion, salary, bonuses etc.*
2. Fear of the sack, nuff said.

*I loved working at Citibank it was all about ability. Those that worked hard and did a good a job got the rewards, it was expected that people make suggestions on improving their job and the process. The shirkers and those resistant to change were soon found out and were eased out of the door.

As a shelf stacker at M&S I quickly realised that those who worked hard were not recognised and those who shirked pretty much got away with it. It was a top down organisation and there was no incentive to work hard or suggest how your job could be done better. It was the complete opposite of Citibank.

i was surprised at the unwillingness to adapt or change processed but really I shouldn't have been. Whilst working at Citibank I had an occasion to deal with M&S middle management at their Oxford Street branch. Normally I would deal with 1 person I found myself in a room with about 10 of their managers all demanding to be involved but none of whom were prepared to stick their necks out and make a decision.

In hindsight it was clear why on the shop floor nobody was interested in doing things better.

The problem with top down organisations is if they are mismanaged they became a bureaucracy where the shirkers use the rules to justify their existence.
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I dealt with M&S in the years immediately after they moved into food. They employed a category of staff unknown at the time in the food industry but presumably was how they managed clothing. These were “selectors”, usually newly qualified graduates put through their indoctrination system who knew next to nothing about food manufacturing. They then demanded ridiculous things of the manufacturers who were so desperate not to miss out they bit their tongues and complied. I recall being required to have every grape in a fresh fruit salad peeled. Which could only be done by hand. Imagine the costs involved. Nuts.
 
Why this flurry of posts about M&S being inefficient and hapless. If that is the case they will eventually go out of business. Meanwhile the inefficient and hapless in the public sector just go on their merry way.
 
Mapletree said:
I see you have no interest in trying to reduce immigration at source. But really this isn't the topic at hand.
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Having a brother who worked for Department of Overseas Development you would be staggered as to what the money is spent on, that is the amount that isn’t hived off by the powers that be. It really has had no effect on stemming Immigration. This is something I do know a lot about, from experience rather than what is written
 
beak said:
No luck required Labour are in power and will squeeze their bollo's.
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Before Blair Labour were always a one term government and this attitude is pretty much the reason why.

Blair, for all his faults, came from a conservative family and had a far better understanding of how far to push something and the language to use. In some areas his politics was more conservative than the conservatives he faced in parliament.....That success he had caused more long term damage to Britain than any other Labour politician.

At the very least.....as we see here, that type of person isn't in government anymore.

It won't last......If the right manage to sort out their differences or Clarkson decides to join one or the other..... Labour are toast.
 
I think there are many similarities with farming and other businesses. Some struggle with certain market conditions, and others seem to do very well. Having a good accountant is helpful. If you check out many of the farmers goods shops (which they can swerve VAT on goods), alongside chicken feed and bales of straw, you might also see dog food and washing power,....no doubt all run through the farm as consumables. Similar perks exist to a lesser or greater extent in other industries.
Placing inheritance tax on farms, means the estate of the dead farmer is going to have to find additional funds from somewhere. This is probably going to mean the sale of pieces of land in a lot of cases. Which larger farms, or more probably land bank systems for conglomerates, are going to buy.
I don't think the Labour Government have thought this out too well, along with the scrapping of the winter fuel payments.

This can either go badly...


or very badly indeed.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
A sensible observation.

I also have no sympathy for the uber rich, but neither do I bear them any grudge for being rich.
We would do exactly the same in their position.
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Possibly but I would not attack just because they are rich. They who do so will suffer a brain drain and decline in investment.

I would attack them because rich people are becoming even richer by parasitically riding on the back of policies designed to protect the very interests real farmers now have to protest to protect.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Why should anyone inherit so much they have no need to contribute to society by working?
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When the person leaving the money/property has worked hard to get the means to buy property/businesses, using money that has already been taxed, why should they be taxed again, just because they died???...Id bet that if you got a large inheritance you would want to keep it? Or would you get in touch with the tax man and say come and help yourself my friend?? Of course you wouldnt!,Do you believe that Starmer/Reeves/Rayner (spit) will pay their inheritance tax as I had to when my mother died?? Dream on Wissie, dream on!!!!
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
I think there are many similarities with farming and other businesses. Some struggle with certain market conditions, and others seem to do very well. Having a good accountant is helpful. If you check out many of the farmers goods shops (which they can swerve VAT on goods), alongside chicken feed and bales of straw, you might also see dog food and washing power,....no doubt all run through the farm as consumables. Similar perks exist to a lesser or greater extent in other industries.
Placing inheritance tax on farms, means the estate of the dead farmer is going to have to find additional funds from somewhere. This is probably going to mean the sale of pieces of land in a lot of cases. Which larger farms, or more probably land bank systems for conglomerates, are going to buy.
I don't think the Labour Government have thought this out too well, along with the scrapping of the winter fuel payments.

This can either go badly...


or very badly indeed.
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Totally agree. The poorer farmers will hardly get any impact from this IHT swoop. Up to c. 100 acres no change. Maybe the mid sized farmers will be taxed the equivalent of say 5% of their land.
So loosely if you own and farm say 300 acres you would have to sell say 20 acres to cover the one off IHT tax bill. Hardly going to rock the boat.
It is the bigger farmers who own north of say 1000 acres who are the ones they are really after especially those who are quietly dodging IHT by their farm/land acquisitions.
If Labour had come clean (which Labour really struggle with) on this they would not have stirred up the whole farming community. A significant number of country folk clearly voted them in, and yet Labour have already lost them. Very poor PR.
Typical of their heavy handed Stalinist ways.
 
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Spiderman said:
A buffoon who has made s*** loads of money
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No sorry not a buffoon. He has almost single handedly raised the public perception of what people who farm in this country face day in day out. He now has a voice which he is making sure is heard, loud and clear. Let us all drop the idea that anyone who uses their talent to make money is to be derided and envied.
 
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