Physical Football..

[Willo]

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I’ve got an old video that I put on dvd of some of our classic games from the big match in the 70’s and it was when we beat Chelsea on jim cannons debut, Derek Possee tried to steam into Harris and Possee was left a crumpled heap on the floor with Harris standing over him clear as anything on the footage giving him the wanker sign 🤣

Making reference to his 'Chopper'.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Who knows what the context was but this picture shows the glamorous life of a footballer.
Ron is rightfully proud of his Hoover, wheelbarrow and kettle.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

There is no reason to intentionally make contact with another player, except for in the 'Shoulder charge'. That is not to say that there shouldn't be any contact, as in many of the actions in football contact is inevitable. Even in a tackle(sliding or otherwise) should be non-contact; A 'clean' tackle should not touch the other player. Demonstrated by the fact that 'going through' a player to get the ball results in a foul.

You've actually highlighted my point in that the majority of people think of it as a contact sport, and it has evolved that way. I also I agree with you in that football is played that way nowadays. But it shouldn't be. Grabbing, jumping on, pulling back. Excessive use of these tactics get penalised. But why should even the non-excessive versions of the actions be allowed?

Out of curiosity, Where (apart from the shoulder charge) should contact with another player be intentional? Even the act of 'Shielding' isn't intentional, as you are merely protecting the ball. Contact isn't mandatory.

To use one example: The ball is flying through the air from a long goalkick. The defender wants to head it away, the forward wants to head it on towards goal. Obviously, it's only going to land in one place, and they both want to be there. They both jump up into that space. It's almost impossible for there not to be contact between them, and it will probably occur at some speed and force.

 

[CrazyBadger]

To use one example: The ball is flying through the air from a long goalkick. The defender wants to head it away, the forward wants to head it on towards goal. Obviously, it's only going to land in one place, and they both want to be there. They both jump up into that space. It's almost impossible for there not to be contact between them, and it will probably occur at some speed and force.

Yes you are right, but he is not going jumping in order to make contact with player, but to try to get the ball.
in that case contact is inevitable, not intentional.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Yes you are right, but he is not going jumping in order to make contact with player, but to try to get the ball.
in that case contact is inevitable, not intentional.

Fair enough, although I think anyone who has challenged for a header might appreciate the need to locate your opponent in the process, fractionally before the ball arrives (I'm not suggesting you haven't ever challenged for a header, by the way!).

How about this then: You are on the ball in central midfield, entering the final third. I am up front, on the edge of the box. You want to play it into my feet so I can hold on to it and set it back for you to shoot. To do that I have to 'pin' the defender that is marking me. I.e get my back, or furthest arm, into his chest. I must compete physically for the same space he wants to occupy, in advance of the ball arriving.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Fair enough, although I think anyone who has challenged for a header might appreciate the need to locate your opponent in the process, fractionally before the ball arrives (I'm not suggesting you haven't ever challenged for a header, by the way!).

How about this then: You are on the ball in central midfield, entering the final third. I am up front, on the edge of the box. You want to play it into my feet so I can hold on to it and set it back for you to shoot. To do that I have to 'pin' the defender that is marking me. I.e get my back, or furthest arm, into his chest. I must compete physically for the same space he wants to occupy, in advance of the ball arriving.

Sorry, busy weekend haha,

I'd put this is the Area of 'Shielding', but outside of the ability to 'Shoulder charge' then I'd argue that there is no rule that allows one player to push an opponent out of the space they are occupying. It is your right to protect the space you are in, but over use of force should be penalised.