Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Willo]

I think what Parish is suggesting is that the ECA (European Clubs Association) and the disciplinary committee are linked. We have been opponents of their set up for some time - look into it. I posted an article miles earlier. That's the one with the Qatari guy heading it - the PSG and ex Man City guy. They dislike us and the decision looks political and corrupt. Which would be normal enough.
However, they are entities under the UEFA hierarchy - and basically the UEFA heads are not happy with this. I think they may wonder about the optics but you also have to wonder will match fixing, or corruption come under scrutiny again. That could be embarrassing.
However, I'm pretty sure the El Binman is more powerful than UEFA overall but we'll see.

The man at the hearts of this issue has sold his shares and left CPFC, there is certainly NO 'Conflict of interest' between Lyon and our club both playing in the Europa League next season.

 

[Frenchaigle]

To me Parish 's body language suggested he didn't look confident in winning an appeal during that interview.
Saying " we hope someone intervenes ' and exploring our 'options ' doesn't fill me with confidence.

Yes we should appeal ,there's no harm in having a go .
We all know the rules are daft ,we all know bigger clubs would get away with it, but the board have crossed a T but not dotted an all important I .
Parish says Textor has no control, therefore Parish has dropped the ball on this one ,its a mistake and we've all made them .
I mean it's not like its a matter of life and death ...its just more important than that 😆 🤣

 

[Common Sense Club]

The man at the hearts of this issue has sold his shares and left CPFC, there is certainly NO 'Conflict of interest' between Lyon and our club both playing in the Europa League next season.

Exactly, and as I have said elsewhere, at the point that Lyon achieved their Europa League spot they were provisionally in Ligue 2; a fact confirmed in June but later overturned in July, which now allows them to play in the competition.
Palace achieved their Europa League spot after winning the FA Cup in May. We have since become as squeaky clean as UEFA appear to want us to be. There is no reason now that we shouldn't both be in the same Europa League competition.
If not, then the corruption card is firmly in play.

 

[ASCPFC]

The man at the hearts of this issue has sold his shares and left CPFC, there is certainly NO 'Conflict of interest' between Lyon and our club both playing in the Europa League next season.

That is our argument but it ignores that we didn't discuss anything with the ECA - despite numerous invitations - not did we comply with a silly rule by an arbitrary deadline. So we didn't follow the required process. That's their argument.
Not relevant to what I was discussing - which is the set up of the ECA, the disciplinary committee and UEFA. We are vocal opponents of the ECA and have been for some time. Notably Parish. It is also them we've fallen foul of. Join the dots.

 

[chris123]

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1lypeil/mike_keegan_the_fa_have_written_to_uefa_in

Apparently The FA have finally stepped up their game and are supporting us. Can't understand why they waited this long!?

I guess there are no further news on this?

 

[PatrickA]

I look forward to the start of the season when we can argue again about whether Kamada is any good.

 

[Willo]

I look forward to the start of the season when we can argue again about whether Kamada is any good.

🤣 🤣 👍

 

[whatton]

Today is Bastille Day, so I don’t think there’ll be much happening with UEFA before tomorrow.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Today is Bastille Day, so I don’t think there’ll be much happening with UEFA before tomorrow.

Off with their heads!

I assume there's a significant financial advantage for us playing in the Europa League as opposed to the Conference, but I've no idea what it is. Can someone explain.

Taking an old geezer's view, at the risk of incurring the wrath of just about everyone on here, I can see us doing much better in the Conference, and possibly winning it, in preparation for a step up next year. I don't consider it all doom and gloom.

 

[doombear]

Off with their heads!

I assume there's a significant financial advantage for us playing in the Europa League as opposed to the Conference, but I've no idea what it is. Can someone explain.

Taking an old geezer's view, at the risk of incurring the wrath of just about everyone on here, I can see us doing much better in the Conference, and possibly winning it, in preparation for a step up next year. I don't consider it all doom and gloom.

I read somewhere recently that you earn twice as much from the EL as you do from the ECL. How true that is, I don't know.

 

[ex hibitionist]

While we should have been compliant by March 1 the fact that we thought we we were compliant, that given Lyon's last minute qualification, demotion and appeal we could not have foreseen we would be in breach and the fact that the deadline was arbitrarily moved and we are compliant now should have some bearing. Add Textor's shenanigans with reinvesting the sale money, Forest and Botago's last minute purchases and the make-up of the adjudication bodies and there must be a very plausible argument for a successful appeal - maybe the penalty can be reduced to a fine or something suspended. We listened to UEFA and made the required changes - sadly after the deadline, but realistically this discussion could not have taken place before we realised both sides were in the same competition. UEFA have the power of discretion to extend deadlines, they've done it before so we can argue correctly that there is no valid reason why we should be an exception. Why presume UEFA will remain rigid in their adherence to their ever-changing rules, which they've just changed again, especially when we now have joint ownership with Brondby?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Today is Bastille Day, so I don’t think there’ll be much happening with UEFA before tomorrow.

But a very good time for fireworks and incendiary devices 😀

 

[Eaglecoops]

The irony is not lost in that the recent winners of the most lowly competition in the UEFA calendar (Chelsea) have now beaten the all conquering champions of the Champions League in the World Club thingy.

Maybe, just maybe, the Conference might be worth playing in?

 

[silvertop]

That is our argument but it ignores that we didn't discuss anything with the ECA - despite numerous invitations - not did we comply with a silly rule by an arbitrary deadline. So we didn't follow the required process. That's their argument.
Not relevant to what I was discussing - which is the set up of the ECA, the disciplinary committee and UEFA. We are vocal opponents of the ECA and have been for some time. Notably Parish. It is also them we've fallen foul of. Join the dots.

The appeal point may be that the panel who decided to demote us was (a) not wholly objective or (b) there was reasonable cause to suggest that those who made the decision would be perceived not to be objective.

Perception is enough. Otherwise, the tribunal has no legitimacy.

Problem is in those circumstances the appeal board may chuck the decision back to the lower tribunal to have another go but with a properly constituted panel.

 

[mtp1958]

well 177 pages later and we are still none the wiser about the rule and how it works , we have all pointed out there interpretations , be it right be it wrong , not until this sorry saga is over ,we could maybe understand the ruling , but if they do change the rule after and we are still in conference , means the rule is floored , why change a rule if its safe , but this is another way to look at it

 

[silvertop]

While we should have been compliant by March 1 the fact that we thought we we were compliant, that given Lyon's last minute qualification, demotion and appeal we could not have foreseen we would be in breach and the fact that the deadline was arbitrarily moved and we are compliant now should have some bearing. Add Textor's shenanigans with reinvesting the sale money, Forest and Botago's last minute purchases and the make-up of the adjudication bodies and there must be a very plausible argument for a successful appeal - maybe the penalty can be reduced to a fine or something suspended. We listened to UEFA and made the required changes - sadly after the deadline, but realistically this discussion could not have taken place before we realised both sides were in the same competition. UEFA have the power of discretion to extend deadlines, they've done it before so we can argue correctly that there is no valid reason why we should be an exception. Why presume UEFA will remain rigid in their adherence to their ever-changing rules, which they've just changed again, especially when we now have joint ownership with Brondby?

Can they extend retrospectively?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

While we should have been compliant by March 1 the fact that we thought we we were compliant, that given Lyon's last minute qualification, demotion and appeal we could not have foreseen we would be in breach and the fact that the deadline was arbitrarily moved and we are compliant now should have some bearing. Add Textor's shenanigans with reinvesting the sale money, Forest and Botago's last minute purchases and the make-up of the adjudication bodies and there must be a very plausible argument for a successful appeal - maybe the penalty can be reduced to a fine or something suspended. We listened to UEFA and made the required changes - sadly after the deadline, but realistically this discussion could not have taken place before we realised both sides were in the same competition. UEFA have the power of discretion to extend deadlines, they've done it before so we can argue correctly that there is no valid reason why we should be an exception. Why presume UEFA will remain rigid in their adherence to their ever-changing rules, which they've just changed again, especially when we now have joint ownership with Brondby?

Fantastic, and well-reasoned in this dynamic situation. I think that would sway most people of sound mind and judgment. However,...the people we are dealing with are a European kind of 'special'

 

[Eagleman13]

Today is Bastille Day, so I don’t think there’ll be much happening with UEFA before tomorrow.

Yes or should i have said 'oui'. UEFA are based in Switzerland, they dont have 'Bastille Day' but, you're probably right.

 

[maddog]

When exactly did we break the rules on multiple ownership? Up until 9th July there was no breach since Lyon had not qualified for Europa League due to their confirmed relegation to Ligue 2. Only once that was overturned were both Teams in the Europa League but by this time Textor had agreed to to sell his stake in Palace pending FA approval and had stepped down as a director at Lyon. So when was it that the rules were broken? If you say 1st March I will point out that neither team had qualified for anything then and Lyon were in any ineligible due to their relegation.

And Crystal Palace were not in breach, John Textor may have been, but he no longer has any involvement in any capacity with Crystal Palace.

 

[ex hibitionist]

Can they extend retrospectively?

they did it for Lyon, they had already been relegated before the March 1 deadline pending their becoming compliant with the French authorities, were found to be in breach of French rules AFTER March 1 and were given time to appeal, before their successful appeal AFTER March 1 we were in the Europa League.