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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

Hi All

New to the board, but a Palace fan for over 50 years (been through alot!). Never really had the courage to post until now.

I've been reading all the whats, buts and ifs regarding our Europa qualification... it is indeed unsettling that its taking longer than hoped to resolve (one way or another)

What worries me is - if we do get kicked out - what long term effect it will have on the club.

The likelihood of our star players wanting to stay or agreeing new contracts would be severely diminished. I would expect the likes of Mateta, Eze and co might want that chance of European football and be tempted to move on...

Likewise, it may effect possible incoming players who are seeking that adventure, so our want list (if there is such a thing) may have to be rewritten. Something that mat even affect Glasners position at Selhurst.

The whole situation could push the club backwards as a whole, and that would be just awful given everything we have achieved these last few seasons... and if Brighton get in, well, that would be the poison icing on the cake wouldn't it...

I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes - or what specifically Palace have been asked to do - but I kinda wish Textor would simply step down from the board. That would surely solve one of the key / immediate issues regarding voting rights etc. (Still, as I said, I know nothing... just an opinion). He certainly is coming across as a bit of a cock....and at the end of the day it's us - the fans - the players and coaching staff who will suffer. Like any business, it's the suits that ultimately do the damage.

But Jeez, why do these things always have to be dragged out so long...I've got it into my head that UEFA has said 'you've until this date to sell your shares'.....LOL

Anyway, the Cup Final was probably the greatest footballing experience of my life..... been waiting a very long time for that! I can finally put the heartache of 1990 and 2016 to bed!

At least that can never be taken away from us!

Thanks for reading... please be gentle!

Best
 
With the first qualifying draw being made tomorrow, 17th June, surely a decision must be made very soon. It would seem Palace,s only real case is that Textor, has little to no input to the running of the club, the time line would suggest UEFA, have said prove it. I would hope that will be easier than it sounds.
Textor, is said to be trying to sell his share interest. That will not happen in a few days, so discounted as a solution. It might be that the only way out of this would be some very inventive paper work conjured up by the club and UEFA on all or any of the issues.
 
Putitout said:
With the first qualifying draw being made tomorrow, 17th June, surely a decision must be made very soon. It would seem Palace,s only real case is that Textor, has little to no input to the running of the club, the time line would suggest UEFA, have said prove it. I would hope that will be easier than it sounds.
Textor, is said to be trying to sell his share interest. That will not happen in a few days, so discounted as a solution. It might be that the only way out of this would be some very inventive paper work conjured up by the club and UEFA on all or any of the issues.
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And that's fine - the sooner the better, I think we all agree on that.

But I fail to see what this has to do with our supposed breach of UEFA rules. Selling them now would make us compliant in the future, but as at 1st March we were either compliant or we weren't. And that was the UEFA deadline.

Textor has publicly declared that he has wanted to sell his shares for some months now but without success.

From what has been reported, the only solutions that have been put forward have been to enable retrospective compliance. Which makes a nonsense of an already nonsense rule.

Palace, quite sensibly I think, have said nothing in the media. Everything else just reads like not much more than the speculation that we indulge on on this site.

Anybody else thinking the same ?
 
maninblack said:
Hi All

New to the board, but a Palace fan for over 50 years (been through alot!). Never really had the courage to post until now.

I've been reading all the whats, buts and ifs regarding our Europa qualification... it is indeed unsettling that its taking longer than hoped to resolve (one way or another)

What worries me is - if we do get kicked out - what long term effect it will have on the club.

The likelihood of our star players wanting to stay or agreeing new contracts would be severely diminished. I would expect the likes of Mateta, Eze and co might want that chance of European football and be tempted to move on...

Likewise, it may effect possible incoming players who are seeking that adventure, so our want list (if there is such a thing) may have to be rewritten. Something that mat even affect Glasners position at Selhurst.

The whole situation could push the club backwards as a whole, and that would be just awful given everything we have achieved these last few seasons... and if Brighton get in, well, that would be the poison icing on the cake wouldn't it...

I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes - or what specifically Palace have been asked to do - but I kinda wish Textor would simply step down from the board. That would surely solve one of the key / immediate issues regarding voting rights etc. (Still, as I said, I know nothing... just an opinion). He certainly is coming across as a bit of a cock....and at the end of the day it's us - the fans - the players and coaching staff who will suffer. Like any business, it's the suits that ultimately do the damage.

But Jeez, why do these things always have to be dragged out so long...I've got it into my head that UEFA has said 'you've until this date to sell your shares'.....LOL

Anyway, the Cup Final was probably the greatest footballing experience of my life..... been waiting a very long time for that! I can finally put the heartache of 1990 and 2016 to bed!

At least that can never be taken away from us!

Thanks for reading... please be gentle!

Best
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Congratulations ,on your post. It sums up a lot of people’s worries on all of this. Not being in Europe, will hurt, but doesn’t have to be a massive set back, because we will still be no worse off than the several clubs that have not got European football , and of course we are FA cup holders, still an attractive proposition for players . I guess we lose some potential money , but we managed before so why not without it? The big worry might be OG , there is no telling how he would handle the situation , but he is under contract for another season so maybe he would just win something else.
 
NEILLO said:
And that's fine - the sooner the better, I think we all agree on that.

But I fail to see what this has to do with our supposed breach of UEFA rules. Selling them now would make us compliant in the future, but as at 1st March we were either compliant or we weren't. And that was the UEFA deadline.

Textor has publicly declared that he has wanted to sell his shares for some months now but without success.

From what has been reported, the only solutions that have been put forward have been to enable retrospective compliance. Which makes a nonsense of an already nonsense rule.

Palace, quite sensibly I think, have said nothing in the media. Everything else just reads like not much more than the speculation that we indulge on on this site.

Anybody else thinking the same ?
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Maybe you misread me or maybe I misread you, but the point I make on the selling of shares , is that it can not count.
We are all guessing but as I say my guess is that Palaces only real argument is that Textor has next to no involvement in the running of the club. How they prove that to UEFA,s satisfaction is again anyone’s guess, but it could be the key to whether we are in or not.
 
whatton said:
Has anybody forensically looked at what happened in France on the evening of 17th May?

Palace winning the cup meant that the other Europa League place would go to the team finishing sixth. At that stage there was a strong possibility that this club would be Chelsea.

I think it’s already been mentioned that both Chelsea and Strasbourg are owned by BlueCo, so the same situation could apply to them.

I suspect BlueCo would prefer Chelsea to be in the Europa League rather than Strasbourg. In this scenario, if Strasbourg had finished 5th, and Inter had won the Champions League instead of PSG, Strasbourg would have knocked Chelsea out of next year’s Europa League, according to the rules that have often been quoted in this thread.

Before kick off time, the 5th, 6th, and 7th places in Ligue 1 were

5. LOSC 57 pts GD +15
6. Strasbourg 57 pts GD + 13
7. Lyon 54 pts GD +13

Points from game 34 are not yet included.

With 25 minutes to go, the scores are

LOSC 1 Reims 1
Strasbourg 2 Le Havre 1
Lyon 1 Angers 0

Adding in the points from these games, this gives a potential final table of

5. Strasbourg 60 pts GD +14
6. LOSC 58 pts GD +13
7. Lyon 57 pts GD +14

At this point, Chelsea may well lose their Europa League spot to Strasbourg. Were BlueCo happy with this scenario? Chelsea could still be out if Strasbourg draw, so Strasbourg would have to lose to ensure that Chelsea kept their Europa League spot.

After this, the following goals are scored:

70 mins: Strasbourg 2 Le Havre 2
72 mins: Lyon 2 Angers 0
86 mins: LOSC 2 Reims 1
99 mins: Strasbourg 2 Le Havre 3

Strasbourg dropped to sixth after 70 minutes, but they would have been back in 5th if Reims had scored.

Eventually, Strasbourg finished 7th, but they could have easily finished 5th if they drew or lost.

I think the possibility that Strasbourg lost deliberately needs to be investigated.
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looks very dodgy to me, especially the CDs
 
NEILLO said:
And that's fine - the sooner the better, I think we all agree on that.

But I fail to see what this has to do with our supposed breach of UEFA rules. Selling them now would make us compliant in the future, but as at 1st March we were either compliant or we weren't. And that was the UEFA deadline.

Textor has publicly declared that he has wanted to sell his shares for some months now but without success.

From what has been reported, the only solutions that have been put forward have been to enable retrospective compliance. Which makes a nonsense of an already nonsense rule.

Palace, quite sensibly I think, have said nothing in the media. Everything else just reads like not much more than the speculation that we indulge on on this site.

Anybody else thinking the same ?
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I think media/news platforms sound/read more in the know than us fans simply because (in many cases) they are a respected outlet that all football fans read. When you scrutinize the detail of each article its actually rare for anything to be reported that isn't being repeated or that we didn't already know.
Its fair to say no one except the author of Forest's letter know what it contained. Its fair to say only UEFA/Palace really know the obstacles (if any) that Palace must clear to satisfy them and be cleared to compete in the competition.
I respect a few lawyers and forensic accountants that have been interviewed on this subject since it came up. And I'm encouraged that every one of them seem to think Palace will be fine. Its still frustrating that we haven't had any official announcement yet but this doesn't mean it will be bad news.
As said before, kicking Palace out opens a can of worms for UEFA when Man City for example are deeply intertwined with Girona. To a point where a blind trust means nothing. UEFA are not idiots. They are aware that kicking Palace out could trigger some pretty expensive lawsuits.
Here's hoping common sense prevails and soon.
 
NEILLO said:
And that's fine - the sooner the better, I think we all agree on that.

But I fail to see what this has to do with our supposed breach of UEFA rules. Selling them now would make us compliant in the future, but as at 1st March we were either compliant or we weren't. And that was the UEFA deadline.

Textor has publicly declared that he has wanted to sell his shares for some months now but without success.

From what has been reported, the only solutions that have been put forward have been to enable retrospective compliance. Which makes a nonsense of an already nonsense rule.

Palace, quite sensibly I think, have said nothing in the media. Everything else just reads like not much more than the speculation that we indulge on on this site.

Anybody else thinking the same ?
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Wasn't that just the Deadline to have shares put into Blind Trust? and not anything else to make ourselves compliant with their rules?
 
Putitout said:
Maybe you misread me or maybe I misread you, but the point I make on the selling of shares , is that it can not count.
We are all guessing but as I say my guess is that Palaces only real argument is that Textor has next to no involvement in the running of the club. How they prove that to UEFA,s satisfaction is again anyone’s guess, but it could be the key to whether we are in or not.
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I wasn’t disagreeing with you ! Just trying to get my head around what difference Textor selling his shares now makes !
 
The only way I see Textor making money from his financial wizardry, is that people see what he does to their businesses, and they say , "Here's a big bag of money to fkcu off, and leave us alone"
 
I cannot see any deadline being of any relevance if Textor resigned from Palace's board. If Textor stepped down no shares need to be placed in blind trust anyway. There would be no confict of interest as Textor wouldn't even have access to the board room let alone have any kind of influence.
For me this would be the ultimate answer to UEFA's concerns.
And with Textor's shares being sold at a later date only reinforces Palace's claims that he is on the outside
 
I am quite a naive person and I expect to be schooled by you learned ladies and gents, but what's the perceived detriment to the club that's stopping them from some form of acknowledgement on the club site? I'm sure the club are being cautious, but the teams around us and our fans are aware of the gist of this, so they don't necessarily have to release anything that makes the situation worse...

The optimist in me says it's simply because the club just don't think there's a problem.

As I say, I am probably missing some obvious reasons.
 
CrazyBadger said:
Wasn't that just the Deadline to have shares put into Blind Trust? and not anything else to make ourselves compliant with their rules?
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It was the deadline for blind trusts. But what would be their response if all shares were sold? Or if he Textor resigned as a board member is not so clear.? But then even where there appears to be clear rules ,time and time again some solution to avoiding the rule appears. It’s pretty obvious ,unfortunately, If Palace never did break any rules then they are fine, as long as they prove it, but if not, they have only some manipulation of the rules to stand on.
 
est1905 said:
I cannot see any deadline being of any relevance if Textor resigned from Palace's board. If Textor stepped down no shares need to be placed in blind trust anyway. There would be no confict of interest as Textor wouldn't even have access to the board room let alone have any kind of influence.
For me this would be the ultimate answer to UEFA's concerns.
And with Textor's shares being sold at a later date only reinforces Palace's claims that he is on the outside
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Yes, I would have thought his resignation from the Board would be the quickest solution. I guess that there could be underlying legal reasons for him not to have done this already.
 
NEILLO said:
Yes, it was.

That's the UEFA dodge around their own rules.

My point being that if Textor's shareholding is so much of a problem, does selling them now make everything just go away ?
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As is my understanding, yes. Textor sells his shares, Definitively no more conflict of interest, no more problem.

The whole Blind trust Deadline thing is cr*p. The only deadline there should be is when the tournaments lineups are officially decided.
 
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