NHS vs immigration

[ASCPFC]

Thanks for the response. I don't see it as a 'poor ruse'. It's not a ruse of any sort but a serious question. Why do you think I need a 'ruse'?

I think it's clear that Reform would have a wholesale eventual privatisation agenda with the NHS.

Would their position on immigration outweigh concerns about that?

I would not want the NHS privatised but probably there will inevitably be worse services in its current form. No reforms ever seem to work. I worked for the NHS absolutely years ago. There were three staff in my office, yet there were five managers. One's entire responsibility was the car park, which maybe had 100 spaces.
If it's still like that I've no idea. That hospital has been downgraded these days.

 

[Badger11]

Well, it's a question of policy, isn't it?

If people will vote for Reform on account of their policy on immigration, will they be satisfied that the same party would also have a policy of privatising the NHS?

Okay I will bite.

What is wrong in privatising parts of the NHS. If you look across Europe many countries have a mix of private and public healthcare. The NHS is not a religion as long as it is free at point of need and you actually get to see a doctor I don't see the problem.

This morning I gave you an example of why the current system is broke. An empty hospital on a Sunday when patients are waiting too long for routine appointments.

 

[Spindle]

It's clear that Trump is very enamoured of Mr Fararge and would clearly back him in any election.

It's also clear that Trump and his money men are itching to move in and sweep up after Reform dismantle the NHS in favour of private medicine: there are billions to be made in profit for US private medicine companies should this occur.

Simple question:

Those on here who are Reform supporters (which is the majority, I would guess), would you happily trade the NHS for stopping immigration?

Sorry if this subject has been broached before. If so, could someone direct to its whereabouts please?

Sadly yes. We have no choice.

Which Arab nations have great free healthcare??

 

[beak]

Okay I will bite.

What is wrong in privatising parts of the NHS. If you look across Europe many countries have a mix of private and public healthcare. The NHS is not a religion as long as it is free at point of need and you actually get to see a doctor I don't see the problem.

This morning I gave you an example of why the current system is broke. An empty hospital on a Sunday when patients are waiting too long for routine appointments.

Extremely naive!

 

[georgenorman]

If people will vote for Reform on account of their policy on immigration, will they be satisfied that the same party would also have a policy of privatising the NHS?

Why not privatise some parts of the NHS. Most European countries seem to use a mixture of public and private and it seems to work well. It is absurd to reject all private care merely for dogmatism.

 

[martin2412]

I'd happily opt out of using the NHS, as long as that part of the tax I pay is returned to me, so that I can pay for private health insurance instead. They won't do that though because all the ponces would suffer if I don't pay for them too.

 

[beak]

I'd happily opt out of using the NHS, as long as that part of the tax I pay is returned to me, so that I can pay for private health insurance instead. They won't do that though because all the ponces would suffer if I don't pay for them too.

And like all insurance there would be exclusions that do not cover the ailment that you have.

 

[Glazier#1]

Absolutely threadbare response to this incredibly important question.

I wonder why so few on here are responding.

 

[Badger11]

Extremely naive!

Why?

Plenty of countries in Europe already do. So why is it naive?

 

[ASCPFC]

Absolutely threadbare response to this incredibly important question.

I wonder why so few on here are responding.

People don't view it as a binary choice. There are plenty of immigrants working in the NHS. I think the figures are like 20 something percent or around that off the top of my head. So fair point made by you in some ways.
However, does it have to be like that? The clear answer is no. There is rising youth unemployment. A three to four year training plan instituted by the government could address necessary short falls within a certain time frame. But it won't be done will it?
Perhaps we could ask why that is?

Make unployment benefits temporary and offer training: is that too hard a concept for the government? Or can we ask why they require people to be on the dole forever? Not taking NHS jobs or even considering it.

 

[steeleye20]

Extremely naive!

It is a shock to find anyone still in favour of privatisation, is there any one at all that hasn't been a disaster for the public.

The UK now has 137 billionaires owning 22% of its GDP.

The current govt has increased privatisation, but its essential for the public good that services are brought back speedily and efficiently into public ownership.

For those queueing indefinitely for privatised water in Sussex and Kent, it can't come too soon.

😎

 

[beak]

Why?

Plenty of countries in Europe already do. So why is it naive?

I was in a rush yesterday and did not specify my reservations which are very numerous, as you age existing illnesses will not be covered and the premium will increase rapidly a health insurance guy was recently gunned down in the good 'ol USA as the alleged gunman had a relative who was DENIED medical financing, that explains the good thing about the NHS as Aneurin Bevan intended it is FREE at the point of use.I accept that we might be at odds over patient over profit but i will continue to enjoy your posts.

 

[Badger11]

I was in a rush yesterday and did not specify my reservations which are very numerous, as you age existing illnesses will not be covered and the premium will increase rapidly a health insurance guy was recently gunned down in the good 'ol USA as the alleged gunman had a relative who was DENIED medical financing, that explains the good thing about the NHS as Aneurin Bevan intended it is FREE at the point of use.I accept that we might be at odds over patient over profit but i will continue to enjoy your posts.

It would still be free at point of use as it is in Europe. Most countries have a mixed solution. The big stuff accidents, cancer etc are treated at NHS style hospitals. However a lot (far more then th UK) routine stuff is treated at private local medical practices which takes the burden off the central organisation.

I deliberately said Europe as the US is a terrible example of a healthcare system and I would not be in favour of that.

 

[Glazier#1]

People don't view it as a binary choice. There are plenty of immigrants working in the NHS. I think the figures are like 20 something percent or around that off the top of my head. So fair point made by you in some ways.
However, does it have to be like that? The clear answer is no. There is rising youth unemployment. A three to four year training plan instituted by the government could address necessary short falls within a certain time frame. But it won't be done will it?
Perhaps we could ask why that is?

Make unployment benefits temporary and offer training: is that too hard a concept for the government? Or can we ask why they require people to be on the dole forever? Not taking NHS jobs or even considering it.

My point , really, is that if/when Reform are elected, there will be no half measures: it will be wholesale privatisation and the model (hence the trump overtures towards Farage) will be the US one and the main movers will, inevitably, be the big US private medicine firms that run the show in the USA: make no mistake; they're waiting in the wings.

So, anyone who wants to cast their vote for Reform on account of immigration should be aware that, in voting for them, you'll also be voting for the axing of the NHS.

One respondent on here has admitted that they see this as a price worth paying.

 

[beak]

...the right wing want a two tier NHS and baulk at a two tier judiciary .If we want to f-ck up the country at least do it in style. I've been in Epsom today and the feed back is that you have been rumbled.

 

[Putitout]

https://keepournhspublic.com/privatisation/how-is-the-nhs-being-privatised/

The NHS already uses a number of private concerns. A mixed bag is probably the way forward. Privatisation is not the complete answer by any means , the Water companies, and many Rail providers show its weaknesses. Losing its ability to treat costly major, and chronic illness virtually free would be a disaster for a high percentage of people, in particular in old age.

 

[Spindle]

Absolutely threadbare response to this incredibly important question.

I wonder why so few on here are responding.

You haven't responded to my reply.

We're going to lose our free healthcare on the path we're on, and even faster on the path the likes of Steeley want us on.

 

[cryrst]

Well, it's a question of policy, isn't it?

If people will vote for Reform on account of their policy on immigration, will they be satisfied that the same party would also have a policy of privatising the NHS?

Definitely a good swap. Less rape victims and stab victims needing the NHS.
Less physical and mental disability to treat because less in breeding by marrying blood relatives. Less benefit payments as they have gone and we can have more money as it’s not being spent on welfare or migrant hotels and properties. WTF do you actually expect people to answer. I’ve seen some stoopid questions on here but by god this is Kevin bridges funny. BTW if you actually looked at stats around 60% of nhs users are the same people. Just rocking up taking up precious time with naff all wrong. Similar to the same % constantly taking up police time. Think of a sensible question and the answers may be reflective of said question 🤦

 

[Glazier#1]

Definitely a good swap. Less rape victims and stab victims needing the NHS.
Less physical and mental disability to treat because less in breeding by marrying blood relatives. Less benefit payments as they have gone and we can have more money as it’s not being spent on welfare or migrant hotels and properties. WTF do you actually expect people to answer. I’ve seen some stoopid questions on here but by god this is Kevin bridges funny. BTW if you actually looked at stats around 60% of nhs users are the same people. Just rocking up taking up precious time with naff all wrong. Similar to the same % constantly taking up police time. Think of a sensible question and the answers may be reflective of said question 🤦

Just putting it up for discussion.

You've made your point: excellent. 👍