Newcastle vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[Lanzo-Ad]

Stats wise it flattered them, not that they didn't deserve a win, although much of our play came when it was all over.

2 events: Sarr passing wide to Munoz not the touch forward right to Mateta was TERRIBLE. He was in and would've likely buried it, at 0-0. And Eze's awful penalty, I knew he'd miss and called it. But it must be on Glasner because he should know that you DON'T LET CONFIDENCE PLAYERS TAKE PENALTIES. You need the mentality of a tour golfer, a numb mind to the past, and that's why JP bangs them in. Maybe a different outcome.

Then out of their 7 on target they score 5, with a total xG of a paltry 1.54 (less than our xG), that's nearly as ridiculous as when they drew at ours 1-1 with 1 off target shot. I think that their second summed it up, shooting from a crazy angle and it was in, nobody expected that especially on the pattern of play with the constant crossing.

Over the course of the game though Glasner was tactically beaten. They played 4-3-3 and occupied our back 3, then used the width on the break whilst Mitchell and Munoz were up the pitch. Glasner must've played Lerma instead of Wharton for more bit in the middle because of that middle 3, but it didn't work at all, we had less bite into them because Lerma is a bad passer (not that Wharton had a good game). Our passing out was really bad, and relied on hope a lot, so we invited pressure on ourselves and we got deep because their breaks wide were so dangerous. I can't help but think that we actually NEEDED a formation change for this game - Rock, Paper, Scissors - the 4-3-3 is a big counter to 3-4-3, I'd have matched it or played 4-5-1.

Glasner will never learn that changing formation and personnel for each game is vital, for a club our size

 

[Spindle]

How come Newcastle were Playing ‘glad all over’ at the end of the game?
They’d already taken the pi*s for 90 minutes.
Funny though.

Because they are not the wonderful club they are claimed to be. Gloating over visitors you have no beef with, that's a low bar.

 

[Spindle]

Oliver Glasner has received plaudits and I accept the football has been more progressive and far more 'Easy on the eye', however in the final analysis our final league position will hardly be an improvement on what was achieved under Mr Hodgson.

Back-to-back defeats, conceding 5 goals in each game, total and utter disgrace. 😡 😡 😡 😡

I wonder if those muppets at Arsenal are dusting off their banner?

 

[georgenorman]

Indeed, the Lord knocks down those who live in a high place, he brings down an elevated town; he brings it down to the ground, he throws it down to the dust. [Isaiah 26:5 (Net Bible version)]

 

[MrRobbo]

IMO it wasn't a formation issue.

It was bad decisions and individual errors

1st goal, Lacoix stupidly gave the ball away, when there was a 2 yard pass on

2nd goal - Hughes over committed in the press, vs holding position, Lerma not close enough to him, and then even though Munoz was up the pitch, Richards for some reason decided to run 20 yards forward to press, leaving the whole right side exposed. Lacroix too easily beaten

3rd goal - cant see it on the highlights, but pretty sure Hughes lost it stupidly

4th goal - Lerma from memory gave a silly free kick away

5th goal - Lacroix stupidly lost the ball

Broadly, Lacroix was a mess. Hughes and Lerma were positionally terrible. There were a couple of other chances where they didn't properly track runners in to the box, that either lead directly to chances, or dragged everyone over leaving a free man on the back post.

Not that it was a game for man of the match, but Kamada was clearly the best and most composed on display.

As much as I love Hughes and Lerma, both are the type of players fans like. Full of running and commitment. Always engage. Good optics. However...... with a very smart and technically capable CM like Newcastles, we are often left in a position there they are dragged in and then bypassed.

 

[Willo]

IMO it wasn't a formation issue.

It was bad decisions and individual errors

1st goal, Lacoix stupidly gave the ball away, when there was a 2 yard pass on

2nd goal - Hughes over committed in the press, vs holding position, Lerma not close enough to him, and then even though Munoz was up the pitch, Richards for some reason decided to run 20 yards forward to press, leaving the whole right side exposed. Lacroix too easily beaten

3rd goal - cant see it on the highlights, but pretty sure Hughes lost it stupidly

4th goal - Lerma from memory gave a silly free kick away

5th goal - Lacroix stupidly lost the ball

Broadly, Lacroix was a mess. Hughes and Lerma were positionally terrible. There were a couple of other chances where they didn't properly track runners in to the box, that either lead directly to chances, or dragged everyone over leaving a free man on the back post.

Not that it was a game for man of the match, but Kamada was clearly the best and most composed on display.

As much as I love Hughes and Lerma, both are the type of players fans like. Full of running and commitment. Always engage. Good optics. However...... with a very smart and technically capable CM like Newcastles, we are often left in a position there they are dragged in and then bypassed.

You have made such salient and valid observations which have gained my imprimatur.

You stated that "Lacroix was a mess", in my humble opinion the team as a whole were in this category.A dire,dastardly display fully deserving of fustigation and unrelenting invective.

 

[Spiderman]

You have made such salient and valid observations which have gained my imprimatur.

You stated that "Lacroix was a mess", in my humble opinion the team as a whole were in this category.A dire,dastardly display fully deserving of fustigation and unrelenting invective.

I have no idea what this all means but I agree 🤣. Can I just add I thought Darren England had an ok game, not that it took much reffing, I was pleasantly surprised when he gave the penalty. DE has always been on my “hate” list after several abject performances over the years but this season he has gone up in my estimation

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Some typical overreactions on here.

It is just unfortunate that we have fixtures against three of the best teams in the league at a time when we have understandably taken our foot off the gas. You only have to drop your effort by a few percent to get battered in this league, especially against the top sides.

We will likely have a similar experience against Arsenal, and that will be a result of scheduling.

I don't know if we will beat Villa, they are also a good side, but I am sure that you will see a completely different performance. It is a massive game for the club.

We were on a great run before this, but any ideas about finishing in the top eight have to take a back seat to an FA Cup semi final. Glasner has won a major cup already, so he has the experience of how to prepare. We have to trust his wisdom and chill out a bit.

 

[doombear]

You have made such salient and valid observations which have gained my imprimatur.

You stated that "Lacroix was a mess", in my humble opinion the team as a whole were in this category.A dire,dastardly display fully deserving of fustigation and unrelenting invective.

Indeed, Willo. It's either a case of problems in the dressing room or that dreaded disease Semi-finalitis

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

IMO it wasn't a formation issue.

It was bad decisions and individual errors

1st goal, Lacoix stupidly gave the ball away, when there was a 2 yard pass on

2nd goal - Hughes over committed in the press, vs holding position, Lerma not close enough to him, and then even though Munoz was up the pitch, Richards for some reason decided to run 20 yards forward to press, leaving the whole right side exposed. Lacroix too easily beaten

3rd goal - cant see it on the highlights, but pretty sure Hughes lost it stupidly

4th goal - Lerma from memory gave a silly free kick away

5th goal - Lacroix stupidly lost the ball

Broadly, Lacroix was a mess. Hughes and Lerma were positionally terrible. There were a couple of other chances where they didn't properly track runners in to the box, that either lead directly to chances, or dragged everyone over leaving a free man on the back post.

Not that it was a game for man of the match, but Kamada was clearly the best and most composed on display.

As much as I love Hughes and Lerma, both are the type of players fans like. Full of running and commitment. Always engage. Good optics. However...... with a very smart and technically capable CM like Newcastles, we are often left in a position there they are dragged in and then bypassed.

An absolutely ridiculous post, every goal you could say is a mistake, the formation failed miserably again, with massive gaps behind the fullbacks and 2 against 3 in CM, it is obvious, the players we have are better than Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Fulham have, but are all above us, why do you think that is.

 

[VinceHilaire]

Foresight is a wonderful thing…

If only I knew what was going to happen last night I would never have ‘wasted’ my money on travel, accommodation and ticket 😞

 

[Fanofzhiyi]

IMO it wasn't a formation issue.

It was bad decisions and individual errors

1st goal, Lacoix stupidly gave the ball away, when there was a 2 yard pass on

2nd goal - Hughes over committed in the press, vs holding position, Lerma not close enough to him, and then even though Munoz was up the pitch, Richards for some reason decided to run 20 yards forward to press, leaving the whole right side exposed. Lacroix too easily beaten

3rd goal - cant see it on the highlights, but pretty sure Hughes lost it stupidly

4th goal - Lerma from memory gave a silly free kick away

5th goal - Lacroix stupidly lost the ball

Broadly, Lacroix was a mess. Hughes and Lerma were positionally terrible. There were a couple of other chances where they didn't properly track runners in to the box, that either lead directly to chances, or dragged everyone over leaving a free man on the back post.

Not that it was a game for man of the match, but Kamada was clearly the best and most composed on display.

As much as I love Hughes and Lerma, both are the type of players fans like. Full of running and commitment. Always engage. Good optics. However...... with a very smart and technically capable CM like Newcastles, we are often left in a position there they are dragged in and then bypassed.

Great post, you make a lot of good points. I was saying last night Kamada was probably our best player as well.
We are falling apart at the moment and need to regroup. If we beat Villa and lift eventually lift the fa cup all of this will be a blip in a memorable season. Let’s hope Glasner can galvanise the lads. A battling performance against Bournemouth could lift us

 

[Dnjc]

Just a couple of points:

1. Everyone misses penalties
2. They were just better than us. we did not go out to just defend - we played our style and they beat us at it.
3. City pressed hard and united caught us on the wings. Both hurt us.

I don’t feel too bad about it. Although I am glad I did not travel for it. As I did for city.

On to the next.

Sorry, not insightful analysis, just my tuppence worth.

 

[ASCPFC]

What worried me the most was that Pardew seemed to make some sense in his analysis of us. And he seemed to genuinely have a place for us in his heart. I hope Parish didn't see it.

 

[MrRobbo]

An absolutely ridiculous post, every goal you could say is a mistake, the formation failed miserably again, with massive gaps behind the fullbacks and 2 against 3 in CM, it is obvious, the players we have are better than Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Fulham have, but are all above us, why do you think that is.

Bore off. Quiet when we win, killing the formation when we lose.

Suspect the supporters of these clubs would disagree. I suspect an unbiased combined 11 of those teams wouldn't feature too many Palace players.

 

[taylors lovechild]

Glasner will never learn that changing formation and personnel for each game is vital, for a club our size

It's not though, is it. Leicester won the PL barely changing their first XI and without changing their tactics. We went 11 games unbeaten away from home, including a PL record six wins on the trot without conceding, without OG tinkering much. We've had two bad results. A club our size will always have tough periods during the season. Let's not start another Glasner Out thread just yet 😉

 

[ASCPFC]

I do wonder if there's a lot of politics/ disruption behind the scenes.
Dougie going.
Ownership speculation.
Manager speculation.
Players leaving.
I think it could easily be that Mateta will not renew and that means he's going at the end of the season. Guehi similar: we already know about really. Two big losses. But maybe they'll leave a legacy - maybe.

 

[palace chick]

Some typical overreactions on here.

It is just unfortunate that we have fixtures against three of the best teams in the league at a time when we have understandably taken our foot off the gas. You only have to drop your effort by a few percent to get battered in this league, especially against the top sides.

We will likely have a similar experience against Arsenal, and that will be a result of scheduling.

I don't know if we will beat Villa, they are also a good side, but I am sure that you will see a completely different performance. It is a massive game for the club.

We were on a great run before this, but any ideas about finishing in the top eight have to take a back seat to an FA Cup semi final. Glasner has won a major cup already, so he has the experience of how to prepare. We have to trust his wisdom and chill out a bit.

You go into these games with an idea how you are likely to play based on form from previous matches. If we were playing Villa this weekend I would not expect a result in our favour. The next two games are big ones and we need that form back. Players are presently playing gun ho with numerous mistakes and no positional togetherness play whatsoever? In my opinion we need that form back this weekend?

 

[park the bus]

An absolutely ridiculous post, every goal you could say is a mistake, the formation failed miserably again, with massive gaps behind the fullbacks and 2 against 3 in CM, it is obvious, the players we have are better than Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Fulham have, but are all above us, why do you think that is.

They have more points on the board? Makes sense.

 

[ASCPFC]

You go into these games with an idea how you are likely to play based on form from previous matches. If we were playing Villa this weekend I would not expect a result in our favour. The next two games are big ones and we need that form back. Players are presently playing gun ho with numerous mistakes and no positional togetherness play whatsoever? In my opinion we need that form back this weekend?

Don't expect much, frankly. Bournemouth aren't brilliant but could easily beat us. But Arsenal will likely score at least 3. Although they aren't the doling out thrashings kind of team. Newcastle are kind of streaky and can win 5-0 but lose 4-0 almost in the same week. Not Arsenal and not really Bournemouth.