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Badger11 said:
Some people hate Musk for his politics and they can't see beyond that.

He has been one of the must influential businessmen in my lifetime. Yes he is on the spectrum so sometimes he says outrageous things so people forget his achievements.

He said he would launch satellites so that the internet was available around the world he was rubbished at the time but I think he has launched 6000 a fantastic achievement. His car company (built from scratch) has pushed the boundaries of the electric car whilst the major manufacturers just stood by wringing their hands. He has made major advances in automated production (gigafactory) and extending the life of car batteries.

Yes he had had failures but what genius doesn't, on balance he has done far more good then bad.
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Personally I can't think of anything bad he's done.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I don’t find it the least fascinating. I find it disturbing that anyone who has to be reasonably intelligent to have enjoyed the business success he has can be so politically stupid. He is off the rails.

If others seriously think like this then there really is a big problem in the USA.

You always come over as a decent guy, even if you tolerate Trump. Something I don’t believe is possible for anyone with any kind of sense of reality.

So a serious question. If Trump loses, which to me now seems likely, will you personally accept it as a democratic decision or resist it?

The idea that people can be so indoctrinated by disinformation that they are prepared to challenge a verified result gives me nightmares.
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cryrst said:
He also states he has no patents on his EVs so anyone can use his ideas.
Probably certain shapes of vehicles etc but the technology is open to anyone. Surely the tree huggers see that as a good thing.
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Yeah, but he doesn't accidentally stumble into gay nudist beaches so...
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I don’t find it the least fascinating. I find it disturbing that anyone who has to be reasonably intelligent to have enjoyed the business success he has can be so politically stupid. He is off the rails.

If others seriously think like this then there really is a big problem in the USA.

You always come over as a decent guy, even if you tolerate Trump. Something I don’t believe is possible for anyone with any kind of sense of reality.

So a serious question. If Trump loses, which to me now seems likely, will you personally accept it as a democratic decision or resist it?

The idea that people can be so indoctrinated by disinformation that they are prepared to challenge a verified result gives me nightmares.
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I’m sure you’re a decent guy too, but totally different to me!

I’m no supporter of Trump the person but the other side and their media driven ideals is not an option. Kamala is a joke!

You are naive if you think disinformation goes one way or one side lies and the other doesn’t!

The result will be tight and difficult to accept for either losing side! To answer your specific question I will happily put my big boy pants on and accept the outcome and move on with my life!
 
Musk effectively started his business ventures by gambling with other people's money. A huge personal risk, except for the fact he got the right people around him to run these ventures. A man of true vision in the Richard Branson (and others) mould.
He has created exceptional teams of people to operate his projects and properly financed them.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Musk effectively started his business ventures by gambling with other people's money. A huge personal risk, except for the fact he got the right people around him to run these ventures. A man of true vision in the Richard Branson (and others) mould.
He has created exceptional teams of people to operate his projects and properly financed them.
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No quarrel with that. I just think he's at that point, like dictators who've retained power too long, where he's losing any sense of perspective.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Musk effectively started his business ventures by gambling with other people's money. A huge personal risk, except for the fact he got the right people around him to run these ventures. A man of true vision in the Richard Branson (and others) mould.
He has created exceptional teams of people to operate his projects and properly financed them.
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This is what Thomas Edison did. Edison was very good a stealing other peoples ideas and then making them work. He had a team of people to do that. Bill Gates and Musk are very similar to him.

That said it still needs a certain intellect to identify that something is the next big thing. In the UK we have a long list of inventors who went broke whilst some Yank made a fortune out of their invention.

Musk deserves credit for the achievements of recruiting staff who are very good at their job and managing them to success. It's not easy hiring smart people if it was governments wouldn't have disasters such as HS2 and every military project...
 
Badger11 said:
Some people hate Musk for his politics and they can't see beyond that.

He has been one of the must influential businessmen in my lifetime. Yes he is on the spectrum so sometimes he says outrageous things so people forget his achievements.

He said he would launch satellites so that the internet was available around the world he was rubbished at the time but I think he has launched 6000 a fantastic achievement. His car company (built from scratch) has pushed the boundaries of the electric car whilst the major manufacturers just stood by wringing their hands. He has made major advances in automated production (gigafactory) and extending the life of car batteries.

Yes he had had failures but what genius doesn't, on balance he has done far more good then bad.
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Undoubtedly true but no defence of him deciding he can use his wealth to interfere with the democratic process by pouring money towards one candidate.
 
Houston Eagle said:
I’m sure you’re a decent guy too, but totally different to me!

I’m no supporter of Trump the person but the other side and their media driven ideals is not an option. Kamala is a joke!

You are naive if you think disinformation goes one way or one side lies and the other doesn’t!

The result will be tight and difficult to accept for either losing side! To answer your specific question I will happily put my big boy pants on and accept the outcome and move on with my life!
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I am glad to read your last paragraph and hope that the rest of the USA behaves as responsibly or the future of democracy will be increasingly threatened.

I don’t think Harris is a joke in any way at all. She seems a decent person with ethics and standards. Compared to Trump she is a paragon of virtue. Most importantly though she is willing to lead a team, to consult and listen. She will use the expertise available to the benefit of all. Unlike Trump who thinks he knows best about everything and demands personal loyalty rather than to the constitution and the law. Trump behaves more like the dictators he admires and resents democracy rather than respects it.

So whilst I can understand and respect anyone believing that a traditional Republican approach to government is preferable to a Democratic one, something I tend to agree with anyway, I cannot understand why anyone could prefer the approach of Trump to anyone prepared to work within the system. To me he ought not be within a million miles of the White House.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Google have donated twice as much to the Harris campaign. Is that interfering with the democratic process?
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Where do you get that idea from? The amount I found indicates it’s less than $20m. Are you not referring to amount spent on their platforms, which comes from a huge number of sources and supports both candidates.

Musk bought Twitter not to make money but to use it to influence politics. He has done a deal with Trump that would see him given a position in his administration. He is using his platform to push his ideas. It’s not remotely comparable with Google who are only interested in protecting their business.
 
eaglesdare said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1847127697635312123

The lefties hate that news can't be censored anymore.
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You don’t find the news on any unedited internet platform. That is especially true of X which is used by its owner to spread his own ideas.

The world must find a way that both protects the free exchange of ideas and ensures that disinformation is removed. Editing via effective moderation is essential.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Where do you get that idea from? The amount I found indicates it’s less than $20m. Are you not referring to amount spent on their platforms, which comes from a huge number of sources and supports both candidates.

Musk bought Twitter not to make money but to use it to influence politics. He has done a deal with Trump that would see him given a position in his administration. He is using his platform to push his ideas. It’s not remotely comparable with Google who are only interested in protecting their business.
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You expect me to present you with data you can deny and dismiss because of your mythical context?
No thanks. Do your own research.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You don’t find the news on any unedited internet platform. That is especially true of X which is used by its owner to spread his own ideas.

The world must find a way that both protects the free exchange of ideas and ensures that disinformation is removed. Editing via effective moderation is essential.
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And people who don’t keep to the narratives are muted.
 
Eaglehamster said:
No quarrel with that. I just think he's at that point, like dictators who've retained power too long, where he's losing any sense of perspective.
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A benevolent dictator is far better than the system that rules us.

I kind of agree with you that Musk has strayed far more into the political world than anyone would have thought before.....I think the progressives helping to trans his boy was the catalyst..but then again other billionaires have gone overtly political but just on the left like Soros and Gates, so Musk has that right, for the right, as well......Not that I think Musk is particularly right wing.

Also, to be fair to Musk, his main thing was protecting free speech, and if he hadn't had been relentlessly attacked, both him and his business and had been left alone then I think he would have stayed out of politics.

Now you have a real situation where both sides have serious donors, the Democrats have most of Wall Street, while the Republicans have the Paypal mafia.

This is the set of financial rival elites the right needed......shame that currently it only exists in America.

And like most of their problems this is a situation that the progressives could have avoided if only they actually knew how to properly run things without looking to overturn every apple cart......I can't stand the guy but Blair's book on leadership makes it very clear how the left can manage the right and even gain votes from them if they present themselves sensibly.

So in a way I guess I'm happy that the progressives just can't contain their own fruitcakes and excesses......because they create decline and an ill, both physically, economically and mentally dying violent society.
 
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