Mateta

[NEILLO]

JP has one ' big ' move in him.

He won't get a better opportunity than to leave at the end of this season.

His wage demands ( I realise it's rumour and gossip ) are in excess of what Palace can afford to pay him.

Let's not forget that there is a distinct possibility that Glasner himself could be off. That would mean a rethink in terms of playing style and one that may not benefit Mateta.

Without undermining his achievements under Glasner, if we can get a sizeable fee for him, then I say let him go.

 

[PatrickA]

JP has one ' big ' move in him.

He won't get a better opportunity than to leave at the end of this season.

His wage demands ( I realise it's rumour and gossip ) are in excess of what Palace can afford to pay him.

Let's not forget that there is a distinct possibility that Glasner himself could be off. That would mean a rethink in terms of playing style and one that may not benefit Mateta.

Without undermining his achievements under Glasner, if we can get a sizeable fee for him, then I say let him go.

I can understand this view, but it's not necessarily easy to replace his goals.
Since we've been back in the Premier League it's been a struggle to find a player who can reach double figures in a season other than Benteke with one season with I think 15 goals.
We've had Luka who scraped to double figures with penalties and Zaha perhaps for one season.
I seem to remember Ayew got perhaps 9 one season.
They pale to insignificance in comparison to Mateta.
At some point Mateta's departure is a bridge we'll have to cross, but goalscorers are not easily replaceable.

 

[rikz]

I can understand this view, but it's not necessarily easy to replace his goals.
Since we've been back in the Premier League it's been a struggle to find a player who can reach double figures in a season other than Benteke with one season with I think 15 goals.
We've had Luka who scraped to double figures with penalties and Zaha perhaps for one season.
I seem to remember Ayew got perhaps 9 one season.
They pale to insignificance in comparison to Mateta.
At some point Mateta's departure is a bridge we'll have to cross, but goalscorers are not easily replaceable.

He will be near enough impossible to replace but he will be 29 the end of the season, we probably should be looking at a younger replacement at that age anyway, so if we can get a decent fee for him then there's no way we can turn it down. I'll definitely be sad to see him go tho.

 

[MancunianEagle]

I can understand this view, but it's not necessarily easy to replace his goals.
Since we've been back in the Premier League it's been a struggle to find a player who can reach double figures in a season other than Benteke with one season with I think 15 goals.
We've had Luka who scraped to double figures with penalties and Zaha perhaps for one season.
I seem to remember Ayew got perhaps 9 one season.
They pale to insignificance in comparison to Mateta.
At some point Mateta's departure is a bridge we'll have to cross, but goalscorers are not easily replaceable.

If brentford can replace Toney we can replace Mateta 🤷‍♂️

 

[Phil’s Barber]

If brentford can replace Toney we can replace Mateta 🤷‍♂️

Precisely.

Igor Thiago has scored 11 goals in 13 games for them and in the previous season he scored a lot for Club Brugge. £29M on someone like him would see us make a very decent profit on any sale of JPM.

 

[PatrickA]

It's reassuring that Mateta will be so easy to replace.

 

[MrRobbo]

Precisely.

Igor Thiago has scored 11 goals in 13 games for them and in the previous season he scored a lot for Club Brugge. £29M on someone like him would see us make a very decent profit on any sale of JPM.

As much as I love JP, I'm also of the opinion that he's replaceable. And at 28/29, now is the time to do it.

Comparisons to struggles down the years (Ayew, Luka, Wilf) are tricky. We are a much different machine nowadays.

JP has one of the highest xGs in Europe, stick any decent striker in that role and they would score some goals.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

As much as I love JP, I'm also of the opinion that he's replaceable. And at 28/29, now is the time to do it.

Comparisons to struggles down the years (Ayew, Luka, Wilf) are tricky. We are a much different machine nowadays.

JP has one of the highest xGs in Europe, stick any decent striker in that role and they would score some goals.

I should probably verify this before I post it, but I think the xG underperformance is quite a recent trend with JP - I haven't looked at it, but to my mind he's been a very good finisher for most of his time here, which suggests it's a form issue rather than a quality one.

Goals is also only one part of his game - he's outstanding in build up, and finding as well-rounded a forward is going to be incredibly challenging. He also seems to be a fantastic squad member.

I probably sit in the 'pay him what he wants' camp - any decent replacement is going to want at least £100k in wages, cost north of £20m in a transfer fee and has far more risk attached than a known quantity like JP. Nketiah is what a £25-30m forward can look like...

 

[Casual]

We need to try and find a big blonde haired blue eyed half Palestinian replacement for him, would solve any in fighting.
Must be a few about ?

 

[McAhuna]

I should probably verify this before I post it, but I think the xG underperformance is quite a recent trend with JP - I haven't looked at it, but to my mind he's been a very good finisher for most of his time here, which suggests it's a form issue rather than a quality one.

Goals is also only one part of his game - he's outstanding in build up, and finding as well-rounded a forward is going to be incredibly challenging. He also seems to be a fantastic squad member.

I probably sit in the 'pay him what he wants' camp - any decent replacement is going to want at least £100k in wages, cost north of £20m in a transfer fee and has far more risk attached than a known quantity like JP. Nketiah is what a £25-30m forward can look like...

When he first signed he didn't look great and was kept out the side by Eduoard.
It's almost the other way round in my view. His good form of last year was the anomaly.

I like him as a character and for what he has done for us. I will wish him well, but he is replaceable.

 

[DutchEagleJohan]

JP has one ' big ' move in him.

He won't get a better opportunity than to leave at the end of this season.

His wage demands ( I realise it's rumour and gossip ) are in excess of what Palace can afford to pay him.

Let's not forget that there is a distinct possibility that Glasner himself could be off. That would mean a rethink in terms of playing style and one that may not benefit Mateta.

Without undermining his achievements under Glasner, if we can get a sizeable fee for him, then I say let him go.

It would have to be seriously sizable fee to replace him by a proven goalscorer and if you look at finances in Italy and the history of Milan it seems unlikley they will be paying North of say 35m. I would not like to see him leave in January to rely on Nketiah for goals.....

 

[NEILLO]

From a purely football perspective I’d rather keep him.

But I don’t think that’s the real issue here. It’s a financial one.

Both parties know he’s going to be at the peak of both his earning power and transfer value come the end of this season.

And that’s why I think we will let him go.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

When he first signed he didn't look great and was kept out the side by Eduoard.
It's almost the other way round in my view. His good form of last year was the anomaly.

I like him as a character and for what he has done for us. I will wish him well, but he is replaceable.

I’m talking specifically his goalscoring as opposed to general play - no striker looks good in a Hodgson team, but I always remember him being a good finisher when chances did present.

 

[PatrickA]

I could make a case for Mateta and Munoz for being our most important players under the system employed by Glasner.
This is different to saying that they are our best players.
For our system to operate efficiently we need Mateta as the focal point of our attack and goalscorer, and Munoz to provide atracking impetus down our right hand side. He's our only real out ball .
The other thing about them is that they are rarely injured.

Our back 3 are also key performers but I'm basing my case on the fact that it's easier to organise a defence that provide an attacking threat.
We have no other players in the squad capable of performing the roles that Mateta and Munoz perform in the current setup.
Hence we should at least retain them at least while Glasner is manager.

I look forward to contrasting views why e.g Wharton or Guehi are more important, but we have other excellent central defenders and , in truth, Wharton has outstanding moments and brilliant potential but picks up injuries and then takes a while to get up to speed.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

I acknowledge there is a lot more to JP’s all round game and value to the team / squad than simply converting the chances we create for him.

His hold up play is crucial and often superb but even that has improved significantly since he first joined us. In his first Season, whilst battling it out with Edouard for the starting role, his first touch was shocking, often further than I could kick it and the phrase ‘couldn’t trap a bag of sand’ comes to mind.

Like a poster above said, the timing for him will be right to move and therefore I see that scenario as a lot more likely than him staying. I would like him to stay but would not be devastated if he did move on.

 

[NEILLO]

I could make a case for Mateta and Munoz for being our most important players under the system employed by Glasner.
This is different to saying that they are our best players.
For our system to operate efficiently we need Mateta as the focal point of our attack and goalscorer, and Munoz to provide atracking impetus down our right hand side. He's our only real out ball .
The other thing about them is that they are rarely injured.

Our back 3 are also key performers but I'm basing my case on the fact that it's easier to organise a defence that provide an attacking threat.
We have no other players in the squad capable of performing the roles that Mateta and Munoz perform in the current setup.
Hence we should at least retain them at least while Glasner is manager.

I look forward to contrasting views why e.g Wharton or Guehi are more important, but we have other excellent central defenders and , in truth, Wharton has outstanding moments and brilliant potential but picks up injuries and then takes a while to get up to speed.

And that's another consideration, as I posted earlier.

With Glasners future also in the balance, I can't see Parish agreeing to JPs wage demands.

A new manager could and probably would change the style of play and suddenly JPs role changes and potentially he's not the same player as under OG.

 

[Eagleman13]

The bbc have seen fit to post this up & it's done by their Arsenal Reporter . . .

Jean-Philippe Mateta's contract talks with Crystal Palace stall

Crystal Palace striker Jean-Philippe Mateta's long-term future is uncertain as talks stall over a new contract.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[doombear]

The bbc have seen fit to post this up & it's done by their Arsenal Reporter . . .

Jean-Philippe Mateta's contract talks with Crystal Palace stall

Crystal Palace striker Jean-Philippe Mateta's long-term future is uncertain as talks stall over a new contract.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'll leave you to decide how likely this Beeb gossip is given the ultimate source

"Crystal Palace's French striker Jean-Philippe Mateta, 28, is keen on a move to Serie A with AC Milan among the clubs interested. (Talksport)"

 

[Living In Hope]

He has been very good for us for a couple of years now, but nothing lasts forever. He will be 29 by the start of next season and to my mind may only have 1 season after this before his impact begins to dwindle. I think if offered a big fee next summer we should take it and seek to rebuild.

 

[cryrst]

My one gripe is he never does a pea roller unless it’s a pen. Last night both his shots on the floor are goals. Same as pino really. Not every goal has to be a worldy
Albeit JPM is still a good player.