Marc Guéhi

[Putitout]

I think we're rapidly moving to a world where all the best players are hoovered up by a handful of clubs with bloated squads.

Even mega rich Newcastle are struggling to hold on to Isac.

Eze and Guehi are likely to move this summer and we'll probably face similar issues with Wharton and one or two others next summer.
The system is designed to destroy competition and for us we're probably looking at a perennial 12th place, which given our history, is quite an achievement.

Nonetheless, being a fan is all about dreams and aspiration which is why this year has been such a joy with the Wembley wins.

However, the recognition is setting in as this week progresses that this is about as good as it gets for Palace.

Intentionally or otherwise the system does tend to destroy competition, as the bigger clubs are constantly buying the smaller clubs out.
In many cases players go to already inflated squads and rarely used. You could conclude the clubs involved merely stop that player being opposition.
Winning two trophies might well be as good as it gets, clubs like ours don’t win the cup every other season, but in general we have edged forward slowly and that can continue. What we can’t do is suddenly change what’s got us this far and become big spenders especially if it’s goes well beyond our means.

 

[Glazier#1]

There's no doubt that the relationship between Marc and the club has been symbiotic so I wonder if the club might offer him a new contract with a buy-out clause attached. Then he could stay, be playing every week, for sure, thus ensuring hid England status for the World Cup. That would show his good-will to the club that entrusted and nurtured him.

At the end of this season, when clubs come calling again, we'll get a proper fee, he'll get the guarantee of a regular place at a big club and both sides will be satisfied.

That seems a perfect solution.

Or am I being naïve?

 

[NEILLO]

There's no doubt that the relationship between Marc and the club has been symbiotic so I wonder if the club might offer him a new contract with a buy-out clause attached. Then he could stay, be playing every week, for sure, thus ensuring hid England status for the World Cup. That would show his good-will to the club that entrusted and nurtured him.

At the end of this season, when clubs come calling again, we'll get a proper fee, he'll get the guarantee of a regular place at a big club and both sides will be satisfied.

That seems a perfect solution.

Or am I being naïve?

Not at all.

That would be my preferred solution right now.

Parish said either a new contract has to be drawn up or we have to sell.

If Marc has doubts about playing time at Liverpool, that could be enough to make him consider a new deal - but of course he’s under no obligation to do so

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That's why I referred to the model changing and it's brought it's rewards.
Eze, Olise, Guehi,Wharton, Lacroix etc worth far more than when they were purchased.

The central point I was making wasn't in relation to the nature of the players purchased, it related to making an investment in the first place.

We were hardly well established 8 years ago, hadn't generated big sales, and yet still purchased 3 players of huge pedigree in Benteke, Sakho and Cabaye.
It's not their merits I was discussing, it was the fact that we were able to make the investment in the first place.

In fact if anything our record on shrewd investments has meant that in general where we've speculated we've accumulated if you look at what the likes of Wharton could fetch in the market.
That should encourage investment if our recent record is anything to go by in shrewd purchases.

We have 3 multi millionaire owners , and provided we operate within the spending rules, it's a shame that there is not more evidence of active support.

I ackowledge it's not my money of course!

This is broadly where my head is at as well - the notion of 'needing to sell to buy' is a choice, if it even is the reality.

We are a multi-million pound business with millions of pounds of sellable assets and millions generated in revenue a year - the idea that we can't front any sort expenditure seems completely ludicrous to me, particularly with the Sakho/Benteke context you mention above.

We can, and in my opinion should, show more ambition.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Not at all.

That would be my preferred solution right now.

Parish said either a new contract has to be drawn up or we have to sell.

If Marc has doubts about playing time at Liverpool, that could be enough to make him consider a new deal - but of course he’s under no obligation to do so

If I were Guehi, I'd sign a new two year contract from now, with a low release clause, say £40 million.
That way, he will start every week, definitely play at The World Cup baring injury, and Parish will still get a fee for him.
I don't see how Liverpool can guarantee him a start every week. No title seeking club could. Another season and it is possible that we could be in the Europa League via the Conference or the Premier League.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Intentionally or otherwise the system does tend to destroy competition, as the bigger clubs are constantly buying the smaller clubs out.
In many cases players go to already inflated squads and rarely used. You could conclude the clubs involved merely stop that player being opposition.
Winning two trophies might well be as good as it gets, clubs like ours don’t win the cup every other season, but in general we have edged forward slowly and that can continue. What we can’t do is suddenly change what’s got us this far and become big spenders especially if it’s goes well beyond our means.

I think everyone accepts that, but that doesn’t mean we should just sit on our hands and spend nothing. We need players through the door so hopefully they have been identified and we will see bids going in shortly. I’m expecting us to be buying in the £8m-£12m sort of price range rather than the £20m-£30m range although forwards don’t come cheap.

 

[NMPalace]

Not at all.

That would be my preferred solution right now.

Parish said either a new contract has to be drawn up or we have to sell.

If Marc has doubts about playing time at Liverpool, that could be enough to make him consider a new deal - but of course he’s under no obligation to do so

My take is that his agent has told him he will guarantee him say a 5 year salary with a minimum £200k a week wherever he goes so it is not in his agent's interest to sign a new contract.

With one year left i still think he is worth a minimum of £40m (e.g. Maddison to Spurs similar price, and Mason Mount went for £55m with 1 year left), however, with wage demands maybe clubs are factoring that in to make a lower offer.

The supposed £35m from Liverpool is £30m upfront with £5m in add ons. This seems very low IMHO and i would prefer him to stay based on those figures (although it could be the 1st bid and we could edge them up).

HIs 'new' salary will include a large signing on bonus, which will only get bigger the less a club pays in transfer fees or get him as a bosman.

I remember reading a very sensible suggestion on here that we give him a 1 year extension with wages of £100k a week (so a 100% increase) with a £20m release clause next summer, which would at least guarantee us some money.

However, his agent is probably thinking he could negotiate and extra £10m over 5 year (50% of that £20m) for his player if he left as a bosman.

 

[MrRobbo]

There's no doubt that the relationship between Marc and the club has been symbiotic so I wonder if the club might offer him a new contract with a buy-out clause attached. Then he could stay, be playing every week, for sure, thus ensuring hid England status for the World Cup. That would show his good-will to the club that entrusted and nurtured him.

At the end of this season, when clubs come calling again, we'll get a proper fee, he'll get the guarantee of a regular place at a big club and both sides will be satisfied.

That seems a perfect solution.

Or am I being naïve?

Nope its not naïve, and has been suggested many a time.

There is benefit to him being a free agent next summer. Will command better wage and wide choice of clubs.

I suspect Liverpool will be a tricky move for him to make. Will go from being club captain to potentially bench fodder. Or is he confident that he could bench VVD or Konate?

 

[Eaglecoops]

I think Guehi will go to Liverpool this window. I don’t think the playing every week is an issue as we all know that if you are a half decent English player playing for Liverpool you are going to get picked for England anyway regardless of whether you deserve it.

 

[NEILLO]

This is broadly where my head is at as well - the notion of 'needing to sell to buy' is a choice, if it even is the reality.

We are a multi-million pound business with millions of pounds of sellable assets and millions generated in revenue a year - the idea that we can't front any sort expenditure seems completely ludicrous to me, particularly with the Sakho/Benteke context you mention above.

We can, and in my opinion should, show more ambition.

Well the accusation towards the Board in terms of perceived underinvestment is nothing new is it ? And the only person that has demonstrated any real ambition was John Textor ! For all his faults, he did call that out.

I’m not going to debate the financial outlay on possible replacements for Guehi and Eze because we’ve done that already.

The bit I continue to struggle with is the failure to sign ‘ squad ‘ players - and the underlying reasons for that. Because I think we should have funds available for that type of player.

 

[chris123]

If I were Guehi, I'd sign a new two year contract from now, with a low release clause, say £40 million.
That way, he will start every week, definitely play at The World Cup baring injury, and Parish will still get a fee for him.
I don't see how Liverpool can guarantee him a start every week. No title seeking club could. Another season and it is possible that we could be in the Europa League via the Conference or the Premier League.

Agree with your thinking, Marc is also playing under a pretty good coach.

 

[NEILLO]

I think Guehi will go to Liverpool this window. I don’t think the playing every week is an issue as we all know that if you are a half decent English player playing for Liverpool you are going to get picked for England anyway regardless of whether you deserve it.

It was reported that Liverpool have now given Guehi assurances over his playing time and that they now expect the transfer to conclude

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Agree with your thinking, Marc is also playing under a pretty good coach.

In the end, if Guehi is determined to play for a bigger club, it's about timing.
I'd be thinking that even a tiny risk of being overlooked for the World Cup would not be a risk worth taking when he can still leave next Summer with a big thank you and just maybe a World Cup winners medal.

For the club, it is a question of money. He could just choose to see out his contract which would be a financial blow, but Guehi for another season is worth how much in terms of winning games?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Well the accusation towards the Board in terms of perceived underinvestment is nothing new is it ? And the only person that has demonstrated any real ambition was John Textor ! For all his faults, he did call that out.

I’m not going to debate the financial outlay on possible replacements for Guehi and Eze because we’ve done that already.

The bit I continue to struggle with is the failure to sign ‘ squad ‘ players - and the underlying reasons for that. Because I think we should have funds available for that type of player.

Yeah I think we can fairly conclude that our board are conservative in their approach - whether that's a good or bad thing is obviously in the eye of the beholder!

Certainly I'm not suggesting we go completely gun-ho, but I think we've got plenty of room to show a little more ambition without taking absurd financial risks.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It was reported that Liverpool have now given Guehi assurances over his playing time and that they now expect the transfer to conclude

I don't see how they could. Anyone can say that, but there is no way he gets picked if he is dipping in form.

This is Liverpool we are talking about.

 

[DenTyler]

there not that rich compared with the oil rich , gone are the days when 500m was a big club money , think totally our ones are worth about 10b between them , Newcastle about 450b lol .
dont what Marc to go but better to sell now or he must sign new contract even 2 years would help , dont think its a slam dunk that he will go , but a very high chance he will go , and goodluck to him

Even though our owners wealth is a fraction of the big boys for them to raise a combined kitty of £90 million is absolutely nothing in the world of a single billionaire let alone 3 of them. FFP I believe is not an issue at all £90 million? (Only going by what other posters have said so this could be wrong on the ffp)

Owners… put your hands in your pockets please

 

[NEILLO]

Yeah I think we can fairly conclude that our board are conservative in their approach - whether that's a good or bad thing is obviously in the eye of the beholder!

Certainly I'm not suggesting we go completely gun-ho, but I think we've got plenty of room to show a little more ambition without taking absurd financial risks.

I don’t disagree !

 

[eritheagle]

There's no doubt that the relationship between Marc and the club has been symbiotic so I wonder if the club might offer him a new contract with a buy-out clause attached. Then he could stay, be playing every week, for sure, thus ensuring hid England status for the World Cup. That would show his good-will to the club that entrusted and nurtured him.

At the end of this season, when clubs come calling again, we'll get a proper fee, he'll get the guarantee of a regular place at a big club and both sides will be satisfied.

That seems a perfect solution.

Or am I being naïve?

I'm sure the club have tried this approach already.

 

[pssguy]

Tough one for Guehi, if he goes to Liverpool there’s no guarantee of first team football and may therefore lose his England place for next summer’s tournament? Stay with Palace and it’s more ensured. I would see my contract out if it was me and leave after this season?

It may be just talk, but the suggestion is that it is Liverpool or nowhere for Guehi. I'm sure Newcastle and Chelsea - with Colwill out for months - would be happy to have him and he would be a guaranteed starter
So not that tough for him, TBH

 

[pssguy]

I think we're rapidly moving to a world where all the best players are hoovered up by a handful of clubs with bloated squads.

Even mega rich Newcastle are struggling to hold on to Isac.

Eze and Guehi are likely to move this summer and we'll probably face similar issues with Wharton and one or two others next summer.
The system is designed to destroy competition and for us we're probably looking at a perennial 12th place, which given our history, is quite an achievement.

Nonetheless, being a fan is all about dreams and aspiration which is why this year has been such a joy with the Wembley wins.

However, the recognition is setting in as this week progresses that this is about as good as it gets for Palace.

I think you are right. Unless we have a complete ownership change and move out of the area to where a new ground can be built there is little chance of this being other than as good as it gets. But we have Europe to look forward to, with a reasonable goal of the Europa next season so the euphoria can last a little bit longer