Makerfield by election

Ironically the Greens would have him up against the wall, unless the Muslims kill the lefties first, then he'll get beheaded with the rest of us infidels
 
Willo said:
One of our 2010 'Gang of Four', Stephen Browett is an alumni of Dulwich College, a successful businessman and a jolly nice chap.
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The Labour peer who gave Corbyn a clean bill of health on jew hate in return for a elevation sent her son there after failing to lobby him in to Eton.


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kevlee said:
Today could be the day a single constituency elects a new prime minister…. With 14 candidates I can’t see Burnham losing this and then he will be PM by the autumn.
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I was going to say that I think you're right, but some on here would take that too literally !

Burnham to win, the Reform candidate has been totally unimpressive.

And with Burnham in No.10, we will look back on the Starmer years with fond nostalgia
 
DanH said:
You could get rid of every single immigrant in this country and people like you would still find someone else to blame for your problems.
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Well yes, there would still be the likes of you, Wisbelch and beak to blame.
 
DanH said:
Slow hand clap for proving my point. Nothing is ever your fault. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
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What makes you think that? I take personal responsibility for my actions. Certainly I am at fault now and again, aren't we all?
 
kevlee said:
Today could be the day a single constituency elects a new prime minister…. With 14 candidates I can’t see Burnham losing this and then he will be PM by the autumn.
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Many a slip twixt cup and lip the Labour party often does things than outsiders find unfathomable, It really would not be a surprise if they kept Burnham back as a threat whilst they pulled Starmer's strings to extricate their whims.It is a race with many hurdles.
 
Personally, I think they're all a shower of s***.

I wouldn't vote Labour. Equally, I wouldn't vote Reform or Restore. The Conservatives are a busted flush. The Liberal Democrats are basically a less mental version of the Greens.

And the Green Party - Thank God I'm colourblind. It saves me from having to see Green.

But this isn't really about party politics. It's about whether mandates still mean anything. When Tony Blair handed over to Gordon Brown, or when the Conservatives went through Boris, Truss and Sunak at least those people were MPs. They were on the ballot paper at a general election. Voters knew they existed and knew there was a possibility they might end up in Number 10.

Andy Burnham wasn't. He wasn't standing to be an MP.

And if you want to be an MP, resign as Mayor and stand for Parliament. Don't keep one elected job in your back pocket while auditioning for another.

The same principle would apply if the Tories fluked an election win and then Boris Johnson suddenly returned from political exile and was installed as Prime Minister. It would apply if Nigel Farage had been parachuted into Downing Street without facing the electorate. Love him or hate him, the voters of Clacton at least had the chance to vote for him or reject him.

What doesn't sit right is the idea that the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom could emerge from a process where the public never had the opportunity to vote for them as an MP at the last General Election.

Legally, that's perfectly possible. But legality and legitimacy aren't the same thing.

If Andy Burnham wants to be Prime Minister, become an MP, win the leadership, then call a General Election and ask the country for a mandate. Somehow I suspect only the first two will seem a good idea to him.
 
Nutmegyeti said:
Personally, I think they're all a shower of s***.

I wouldn't vote Labour. Equally, I wouldn't vote Reform or Restore. The Conservatives are a busted flush. The Liberal Democrats are basically a less mental version of the Greens.

And the Green Party - Thank God I'm colourblind. It saves me from having to see Green.

But this isn't really about party politics. It's about whether mandates still mean anything. When Tony Blair handed over to Gordon Brown, or when the Conservatives went through Boris, Truss and Sunak at least those people were MPs. They were on the ballot paper at a general election. Voters knew they existed and knew there was a possibility they might end up in Number 10.

Andy Burnham wasn't. He wasn't standing to be an MP.

And if you want to be an MP, resign as Mayor and stand for Parliament. Don't keep one elected job in your back pocket while auditioning for another.

The same principle would apply if the Tories fluked an election win and then Boris Johnson suddenly returned from political exile and was installed as Prime Minister. It would apply if Nigel Farage had been parachuted into Downing Street without facing the electorate. Love him or hate him, the voters of Clacton at least had the chance to vote for him or reject him.

What doesn't sit right is the idea that the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom could emerge from a process where the public never had the opportunity to vote for them as an MP at the last General Election.

Legally, that's perfectly possible. But legality and legitimacy aren't the same thing.

If Andy Burnham wants to be Prime Minister, become an MP, win the leadership, then call a General Election and ask the country for a mandate. Somehow I suspect only the first two will seem a good idea to him.
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Morally and ethically, they should call an election. But they obviously would not as they'd be wiped out at the polls. It's going to take a long time for Labour to get back into power after this shower get kicked out. They will have twenty years to think about what went wrong.
 
ASCPFC said:
Morally and ethically, they should call an election. But they obviously would not as they'd be wiped out at the polls. It's going to take a long time for Labour to get back into power after this shower get kicked out. They will have twenty years to think about what went wrong.
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Throughout history Governments "soldier on" and do not call a General Election for no good reason, is it 'cos Wes is unhappy? 😉
 
Nutmegyeti said:
Personally, I think they're all a shower of s***.

I wouldn't vote Labour. Equally, I wouldn't vote Reform or Restore. The Conservatives are a busted flush. The Liberal Democrats are basically a less mental version of the Greens.

And the Green Party - Thank God I'm colourblind. It saves me from having to see Green.

But this isn't really about party politics. It's about whether mandates still mean anything. When Tony Blair handed over to Gordon Brown, or when the Conservatives went through Boris, Truss and Sunak at least those people were MPs. They were on the ballot paper at a general election. Voters knew they existed and knew there was a possibility they might end up in Number 10.

Andy Burnham wasn't. He wasn't standing to be an MP.

And if you want to be an MP, resign as Mayor and stand for Parliament. Don't keep one elected job in your back pocket while auditioning for another.

The same principle would apply if the Tories fluked an election win and then Boris Johnson suddenly returned from political exile and was installed as Prime Minister. It would apply if Nigel Farage had been parachuted into Downing Street without facing the electorate. Love him or hate him, the voters of Clacton at least had the chance to vote for him or reject him.

What doesn't sit right is the idea that the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom could emerge from a process where the public never had the opportunity to vote for them as an MP at the last General Election.

Legally, that's perfectly possible. But legality and legitimacy aren't the same thing.

If Andy Burnham wants to be Prime Minister, become an MP, win the leadership, then call a General Election and ask the country for a mandate. Somehow I suspect only the first two will seem a good idea to him.
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I think it disgusting that he doesn't want to finish his term as Mayor* but will only quit if he can become a MP. And if he becomes an MP he wants to leave Markerfield for Westminster and don't spare the horses.

Vote Burnham he doesn't live in the area and wants to rush off to Westminster. What a fine MP he will be for his constituents.

*Apparently the last election cost around 7m perhaps Mr Burnham might like to contribute. Meanwhile how much will the by election cost because some Labour MP fell on his sword.

Never mind it's only taxpayers money.
 
ASCPFC said:
Morally and ethically, they should call an election. But they obviously would not as they'd be wiped out at the polls. It's going to take a long time for Labour to get back into power after this shower get kicked out. They will have twenty years to think about what went wrong.
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Why?.What are the moral.or ethical reasons they should do this?.

Are they somehow different from when we had a parade of Tory PM's foisted on us by the red trousers brigade who dominate the Tory rank and file?

We have fixed term parliaments and no party will have any interest in losing power.

Not saying it's right btw just saying it is.
 
orpingtoneagle said:
Why?.What are the moral.or ethical reasons they should do this?.

Are they somehow different from when we had a parade of Tory PM's foisted on us by the red trousers brigade who dominate the Tory rank and file?

We have fixed term parliaments and no party will have any interest in losing power.

Not saying it's right btw just saying it is.
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Repealed a couple of years ago
 
orpingtoneagle said:
Why?.What are the moral.or ethical reasons they should do this?.

Are they somehow different from when we had a parade of Tory PM's foisted on us by the red trousers brigade who dominate the Tory rank and file?

We have fixed term parliaments and no party will have any interest in losing power.

Not saying it's right btw just saying it is.
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It's not party politics I'm talking about. Would apply to Tories or anyone else that has lost control of their own party and the faith of the electorate. There's no point in having checks and balances if they're never used. This is quite literally the least popular government ever, deservedly so.
 
Badger11 said:
I think it disgusting that he doesn't want to finish his term as Mayor* but will only quit if he can become a MP. And if he becomes an MP he wants to leave Markerfield for Westminster and don't spare the horses.

Vote Burnham he doesn't live in the area and wants to rush off to Westminster. What a fine MP he will be for his constituents.

*Apparently the last election cost around 7m perhaps Mr Burnham might like to contribute. Meanwhile how much will the by election cost because some Labour MP fell on his sword.

Never mind it's only taxpayers money.
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Funnily enough, Labour didn't want local elections because they cost too much. Yet caused this election to suit themselves.
 
orpingtoneagle said:
Why?.What are the moral.or ethical reasons they should do this?.

Are they somehow different from when we had a parade of Tory PM's foisted on us by the red trousers brigade who dominate the Tory rank and file?

We have fixed term parliaments and no party will have any interest in losing power.

Not saying it's right btw just saying it is.
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Yes, the last Tory government was Dec 19 to July 24. I doubt any government would go sooner than obliged to, unless they had just had enough!
 
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